[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by jammies

Which is an argument against being an extremist, not against ignoring uninformed opinions that are exactly that. Not everything is subjective, you can subjectively have an opinion and that opinion can be objectively wrong. For example, if your opinion is that the Earth is flat, you are wrong. Your opinion is worth less, on this subject. This is not elitism or extremism. If you think it is, you are also wrong.



That's fair enough, but being entitled to your opinion does not mean others are obliged to take it seriously.



Again, fair enough. I also think highly of other people that base their opinions on what I perceive to be rational thought and logic. I also prefer the adversarial style of debate, and I am sure that annoys many, many people.



My opinion matters more if it's based on reasoning and evidence. That is not being "higher on the totem pole", that is how argument works. If we aren't arguing to change opinions based on those factors, what are we even talking for? To hear the sound and the fury?

I am interested (not being sarcastic) to know what you intend when you argue with someone here. Are you trying to convince them of anything, or do you just want to express yourself? If you do want to convince others, what methodology do you think is better than logic based on facts and what is provisionally known to be true?

Nothing really. I haven't really participated in this thread as I read it at times but I don't feel overly compelled to post regarding the topic because on a personal level I don't really care about the outcome of the US election because most of the candidates are morally corrupt losers and the citizens are lose regardless of who gets in. I don't get overly excited about things that are out of my control so I have been fairly amused at the outrage over Donald Trump. I have been enjoying how he's making a mockery of U.S. politics and I sense some people are taking him a little too seriously as I go over posts in this thread as well as Facebook, etc.