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Originally Posted by Bagor
Am I the only one that found the Joe and his Father's relationship slightly ... different?
Not just the kissing on the lips thing but the whole talk from his father telling him that he had trouble making friends and that Joe was the only friend he had ever made in his life?
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I liked it, I think that type of thing is more common than you think. I remember Joe's Ponderosa video from last season, when he cried because he didn't make the family visit and always imagined his dad being there.
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Originally Posted by killer_carlson
Keith is a firefighter if I recall correctly.
I find it funny when people who value talking more than anything else dismiss the game play of the physical players. i'm sorry, but sitting at the shelter all day and waiting to be fed shouldn't be valued more than actually winning a challenge.
What was Keith's big move? Standing up to Joe and defeating him when no one else could. And going an hour more than most of the players to win it.
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That's the interesting thing about this game. Seeing which players and fans have old school mentalities and new school mentalities. If it was one of the earlier seasons, that might be enough for Keith to win but these recent seasons (and especially this season) have been all strategy driven.
We don't really know if the players you are talking about are sitting at shelter and waiting to be fed. If that was an issue, I think it'd be shown more. It seems most or everyone does their fair share at camp to me.
I think the most important aspect is the social game, and how you connect with people on the island. A guy like Ozzy who is amazing at camp life and challenges didn't win because he rubbed people the wrong way. Russell had good strategy but had the same problem. Being a physical player can be a winning game (like Mike last season) but only if you win every single challenge.
When the jury decides to vote for a winner, I don't think how well they can actually survive and work at camp is even a consideration.
Keith in the finals would be amazing, he would just say that he killed the golden boy, chuckle, and spit.