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Originally Posted by rubecube
I know it's kind of a ###### move to quote yourself, but I was just thinking of something else in relation to this chart. We constantly here from the anti-gun control crowd that places like Chicago have high amounts of gun violence, despite having gun-control measures because blah blah blah. Yet even with Chicago's gang problems and associated gun violence, the state of Illinois still has far fewer gun deaths per capita than the Southern States with no gun control. Now, I know the response to that is probably along the lines that the rest of Illinois brings down the average, so I'll point to another example, the District of Columbia. D.C. is basically a city, that has been notorious for violence over the years, so if this argument held then their numbers should be higher than the Southern States, but yet again we see that they're not.
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I always find the Chicago argument interesting. Something like "gun control doesn't work, look at Chicago". Well, what about NYC?
NY state has one of the lowest gun murder rates because NYC has strict (relative to America) gun restrictions. And the surrounding areas aren't bad either. Chicago is surrounded by terrible gun laws. Unless there are Chicago border checks, you can just cop a gun somewhere else and waltz back into the city.
Anyways, "gun control doesn't work, look at Chicago". Fine. Imagine two cities that passed good, strict gun laws. Works great in one (NYC), terrible in the other (Chicago). 1 out of 2, notbad.gif. What rational person looks at that and says "let's not pass those laws, they didn't work in Chicago"? They DID work in America's biggest city. Dramatically.
The gun murder rate in America is SO HIGH (~30k gun deaths = 20k suicide, 10k murder), that even if the laws are 50% ineffective, 75% ineffective, 90% ineffective, it still means THOUSANDS OF LIVES SAVED.
They are in such a bad position that doing almost ANYTHING will save thousands of lives now and countless lives in the future. Yet, America still chooses to do nothing, because owning guns is their "right" and the "libs" can pry them out of their cold, dead hands. Nameless, faceless thousands be damned.