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Originally Posted by Nobama
Fair enough. But your argument about which guns should be allowed and which should be banned comes from the perspective of that guns are a new thing and we should decide which guns to sell and which guns not too. The problem is there are hundreds of millions of guns in the United States. A gun grab by the government may be able to take guns from honest people but do you really think that the criminals are going to hand in their guns? Basically it would be disarming the good people that are safe and responsible with firearms while the criminals still have stockpiles of guns. Being "legal or not" doesn't seem to effect the people with bad intentions. Sure a gun is easiest right now to commit evil deeds but take that away and the criminals will find other ways to hurt people.
Some of the most recent mass murder atrocities have had nothing to do with guns (9/11, Boston Marathon, England Subway Bombing etc) Focusing on the guns seems narrow minded and not really a solution to stop this.
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Obviously any kind of fire arms reform or control is going to have to include the illegal gun trade. Which is difficult because of America's basically open border policy. Unless you can get the Chinese and Israelis and Philipines and Russians etc to stop shipping guns here via organized crime for hard currency the point is pretty much moot.
And if you want to get guns out of people's houses, then you have to look at it in a different way
1) Incentives people to not have guns in their homes. That means working on the reputation and effectiveness of police forces throughout the US. Cracking down on criminal acts that involve fire arms hard. Improvements in the poorer urban areas of the cities that have become war zones. Plus when I talk about gun crimes, I'm talking about any deaths cause by fire arms. Get rid of the stupid self defense laws that allow morons to shoot kids in the street because they react badly to a situation. There are absolutely times and places for self defense, but realistically, I fail to see where firearms in the hands of untrained novices who can go to a gun shop and buy a gun or a trade show is an effective home defense strategy.
2) Pass a massive tax bill on guns or on bullets, and require people to buy a separate comprehensive and expensive non optional insurance policy for their home if you have a gun in it. Or if your are carrying a gun on your person you have to carry an insurance policy with a massive comp policy. Make guns a expensive item.
3) Frankly if your caught with an illegal gun in your possession, its 5 years in jail, if you sell a gun illegally its 10 years in jail. If you shoot someone with an illegal gun its life with no parole.
4) Improve port and border crossing inspections to reduce gun smuggling. Increase funding in terms of fighting organized crime, maybe stop chasing people for smoking dope and funnel that money into finding the sources of illegal guns.
5) No more weapons shows, no more buying guns anywhere but a properly licensed gun shop with an effective tracking system. If you've ever been convicted of a felony you can't have one, ever. If you have mental health issues on record, you can't have one. You have to go through a physical and mental assessment at your own cost that's signed by a certified professional before you can buy a gun. You also have to go through a proper gun safety and situational training course. Preferably one where they throw flash bangs and shoot real rounds over your head while your in different situations. If you don't pass that test the first time, no gun for you.
6) Limit the access to the type of weapons available. No magazines larger then 3 rounds, if you mod a weapon and are caught with it, then you are prosecuted. No semi automatics, all rifles for public use are bolt action. No magazine fed pistols, you can buy a revolver with a 6 shot maximum, and no pistols bigger then a .22 will be sold.
There will be a grace period of two years for people to get compliant with financial incentives. After that your prosecuted.
To me whether its people or guns as an argument which is stupid because I can use that for anyone. Hey cars don't kill people people kill people. Vacuums don't kill people people kill people.
At the end of the day, in the last two years we've seen over 650 mass shooting incidences a majority I believe where they used weapons that were purchased legally. Obviously there is a massive problem with the way guns are controlled.
The constitution and the 2nd amendment weren't written to be a suicide pact or a legal defense for the ability to commit mass murder on your own people.