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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
These extreme pro lifers are really quite fascinating. They're willing to kill living people over a fetus but once the fetus is becomes a person, they couldn't care less what happens to them. Remember, these are largely the same people against universal heath care, welfare for poor people, most things Christ preached about, etc.
It's basically the most ####ed up thing ever.
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It's not really about life at all. It's a savage reaction against women having the choice of if and when to have children, and to decide whether they want a man in their life or not. Something like 60 per cent of American men believe the male is the head of the family. The number in Canada is below 30 per cent. That's actually one of the widest spreads in dozens of attitudes and beliefs polled in the two countries.
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Originally Posted by peter12
It really does seem like a country on the precipice of implosion.
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The most obvious benchmark for civil strife in the U.S. in living memory is the 60s. Things were generallly much worse then - you had police unleashing dogs on blacks trying to vote, rednecks killing teachers who tried to help blacks vote, and mass race riots in every major city - basically what's been happening in St. Louis x20. You had presidents and presidential candidates being assassinated. You had student protesters being shot and killed by the national guard. You had the black panthers arming themselves for revolution. You had left wing radicals blowing the heads off judges and inciting prison riots. And all against the backdrop of a war that was an order of magnitude larger than the recent Iraq or Afghani wars in casualties, a war hundreds of thousands of average American men were being drafted to fight in against their conscience. The U.S. managed to mend itself (more or less) after those wounds.
What we're seeing now seems more like a breaking apart into chaos than a struggle for the soul of America. With power relentlessly and it seems irrevocably pulled out of the grasp of social conservatives, and with the ongoing economic decline of that class's heartland, it's hard to see a soft landing.
As for this shooting, this sounds callous but at this point I regard these sorts of stories out of the U.S. the way I regard a story about 50 people dying in a ferry sinking in Indonesia; something awful but seemingly quite common in a country with very different notions of safety and the value of human life than my own.