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Old 11-25-2015, 09:18 AM   #1023
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Well, true. Although to claim that this actually had something to do with religion is highly debatable.

And of course the Muslims did it first, which is a much bigger flaw in the argument of "oh Christians are so special".
Sure, Muslims did it first. And if you go back further, ancient Greeks and Chinese were doing it before then.

Again, I am not a religious person and have nothing personal invested in it. I don't think Christians are special, but I don't think anyone can deny that the Church has shaped what the West is a this point from a purely historical and academic perspective, just like Islam has helped shape the ME. Some of those influences were no doubt bad, but some of them were good.

Just because "Muslims did it first", doesn't mean that if Europe was Islamified at a time that Islam was a progressive light on Europe's dark ages, that Europe wouldn't be in the same theocratic quagmire that the ME is in today.

A lot of the scientific discoveries in Europe in the late middle ages and renaissance were by Church clergy and backed by the Catholic Church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ric-scientists
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