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driveway · 11-23-2015, 02:12 AM

There is no way the Flames should trade Hamilton for Hamonic.

Outside of the start of this year with the Flames, Hamilton has been a significantly better player than Hamonic, both offensively and defensively. And he's been much better than Hamonic defensively.

Between 2012-13 and 2014-15 here's a comparison between the two, stats are for 5v5 play, score adjusted from war-on-ice.

_________GP___CF%____CF%Rel___FF%____FF%rel___SCF%____HSCF%__TOI/Gm___G___A___PT
Hamilton_178__56.37___3.45___55.01___2.81____55.85____52.65___15.76___10__40__50
Hamonic__188__49.73__-2.10___50.64__-1.78____49.87____52.11___18.47___7___35__42

So here's an almost 200 game sample where Hamilton has significantly outperformed Hamonic on both sides of the puck. It's worth pointing out that Hamonic was 22-24 years old for the seasons covered by this sample and had 40 games of AHL experience and 134 games of NHL experience, while Hamilton was 19-21 years old and coming straight out of Junior. The numbers favour Hamilton even more if you compare them over their age 19-21 seasons.

If the Flames were to move Hamilton for Hamonic straight-up based on a 20-game sample of Hamilton's play, both Burke and Treleving should be fired on the spot. If the Isles want Hamilton for Hamonic, they're going to need to throw in substantial assets to make it worth our while. Like a 1st and a solid prospect, or one of Barzal/Dal Colle and a 2nd. Even then I wouldn't do that trade. Maybe I'd do Hamonic + 1st + Barzal/Dal Colle, but the Islanders would refuse that point-blank. It would be a complete non-starter.

The Isles, if they're going to move Hamonic, are going to have to readjust their perception on what they'd be able to get for him, and Flames fans should readjust their perspective on what Hamonic's value actually is.

11-23-2015, 02:12 AM	#557
driveway A Fiddler Crab Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago Exp:	There is no way the Flames should trade Hamilton for Hamonic. Outside of the start of this year with the Flames, Hamilton has been a significantly better player than Hamonic, both offensively and defensively. And he's been much better than Hamonic defensively. Between 2012-13 and 2014-15 here's a comparison between the two, stats are for 5v5 play, score adjusted from war-on-ice. _________GP___CF%____CF%Rel___FF%____FF%rel___SCF%____HSCF%__TOI/Gm___G___A___PT Hamilton_178__56.37___3.45___55.01___2.81____55.85____52.65___15.76___10__40__50 Hamonic__188__49.73__-2.10___50.64__-1.78____49.87____52.11___18.47___7___35__42 So here's an almost 200 game sample where Hamilton has significantly outperformed Hamonic on both sides of the puck. It's worth pointing out that Hamonic was 22-24 years old for the seasons covered by this sample and had 40 games of AHL experience and 134 games of NHL experience, while Hamilton was 19-21 years old and coming straight out of Junior. The numbers favour Hamilton even more if you compare them over their age 19-21 seasons. If the Flames were to move Hamilton for Hamonic straight-up based on a 20-game sample of Hamilton's play, both Burke and Treleving should be fired on the spot. If the Isles want Hamilton for Hamonic, they're going to need to throw in substantial assets to make it worth our while. Like a 1st and a solid prospect, or one of Barzal/Dal Colle and a 2nd. Even then I wouldn't do that trade. Maybe I'd do Hamonic + 1st + Barzal/Dal Colle, but the Islanders would refuse that point-blank. It would be a complete non-starter. The Isles, if they're going to move Hamonic, are going to have to readjust their perception on what they'd be able to get for him, and Flames fans should readjust their perspective on what Hamonic's value actually is.