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Originally Posted by MattyC
We would have to include Bennett + for just Strome? Or to have him included with Hamonic?
Both Hamonic and Strome are good young players, but I really think we're undervaluing our own players a lot. Bennett could conceivably hit Strome's career high (from last season) of 50 pts, in his rookie year. It would be awesome to bring in a guy like Strome, but Bennett plus is pretty crazy to me.
I agree it would be tough to get Hamonic without including young assets that we don't have/want to trade, but I still think there is an undervaluing of Russell and Wideman. Again, don't know much about Hamonic, but looking at his stats and judging by what people say in here, he seems to be about on par with what Russell is, but 25 years old and more physical.
If you didn't have to take money into account, I would say that Russell (if they could sign him) AND Wideman should be able do it. Not only adequately replace Hamonic with Russell (who is only 3 years older), but they get an offensive punch from Wideman who was 4th in D scoring last season.
Contract status is definitely an issue, as Hamonic has a very friendly deal, but there's also no indication that he's going to be much more than what he is now (which is not a bad thing), and he's probably paid accordingly for what he is. Russell will probably net about the same, maybe a little more as a UFA, and Wideman will likely either stay about the same, or have a drop in price, depending on how he plays. If he has a great offensive year again, he's probably looking at about the same dough he is now. If he has a drop in production, his salary will drop accordingly, and hes still an OK dman.
But really, ask yourself about the players that surround Wideman from the defensive scoring list last season. Karlsson, Burns, Subban, Carlson, Josi. All younger (Burns and Letang are closer), but still. How many of those would you package with another top-4 dman for a strong, young defensive defensmen, who is about the same as the one you added, only a couple years younger, and call it a steal for you? if you were to see a team do that from the outside, would it look good?
Anyways TL;DR - Our players are better than people give them credit for, but I understand it's more about the VALUE they bring, which is different.
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Bennett is probably worth a fair bit less than Strome at the moment. Their upsides are similar but Strome is more proven. Our 1st is worth less than Strome or Hamonic, and they won't want the 1st or Bennett because they're trying to win now and have stated they want an equivalent dman back. Bennett and our 1st are probably our two most valuable trade assets outside of Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie and Hamilton. Everything else we have would create a quantity for quality trade that I'm sure Snow would say no to. One of those 4 guys would have to go to NY if we wanted Strome included in a Hamonic trade.
If we were to trade for a Hamonic+Strome package, I suspect it would look like this:
Brodie+Hudler+2016-1st for Strome+Hamonic with maybe a small add from NY's side.
Strome is the best piece (most valuable) in the trade, Brodie is 2nd, Hamonic is 3rd. All just my opinion, of course... I could be way off.
Basically telling the isles the price to upgrade Hamonic to Brodie is Strome, but Strome is worth more than either player IMO. There is a significant gap to bridge there.
Guys like Russell and Wideman aren't as bad as some say but I don't think they move the needle all that much from NY's perspective.
I think we're over complicating things by trying to shoehorn a guy like Strome into the mix. We only have 2 or 3 guys in our entire organization that are worth as much or more than him.