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Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!! View Post
But seriously, what the **** were the Flames doing all those years they were supposedly working on this project?

I think we all assumed that they were working hand-in-glove with the city, keeping it under wraps and refining the project so that it would be an airtight plan that worked for all parties by the time it saw the light of day.

Instead, after years of behind the scenes work, we see a vague general concept for an arena attached to a football stadium, and a city hall that clearly had no more notion of what was going on than the general public did, and didn't even get the outline of the project until it was announced to the season ticket holders.

For an organization that wants to get into a billion dollar private-public partnership with the city, they sure seem to have half-***ed it pretty hard so far.

I don't even have any huge insurmountable objections to the project that has been laid out so far, but I agree with Nenshi that calling this 'half baked' would be overly generous.

To carry on the metaphor of baking a cake, this project is at the stage of somebody saying "Hey, let's make it a BIG cake!"
I'm not saying I 100% agree with how the release of this project was handled, but it is clear you have no idea the type of back work that goes into creating a concept like this, especially of this magnitude. There were many, many players involved and multiple programming, planning and design schemes, legal ramifications, negotiations, contact talks, etc. before being released.

The South Health Campus, the $1.3B project, was in the planning stages for 10 years before the RFP came out in 2005, and subsequently completed by 2013. That's an 18-year span.

I understand people's expectations and anxiety on the CalgaryNEXT project to get going, but if you knew how the development / engineering / design / construction industry really operate, you wouldn't be surprised at the timelines. Not for a project like this.

Originally Posted by Muta

I'm not saying I 100% agree with how the release of this project was handled, but it is clear you have no idea the type of back work that goes into creating a concept like this, especially of this magnitude. There were many, many players involved and multiple programming, planning and design schemes, legal ramifications, negotiations, contact talks, etc. before being released.

The South Health Campus, the $1.3B project, was in the planning stages for 10 years before the RFP came out in 2005, and subsequently completed by 2013. That's an 18-year span.

I understand people's expectations and anxiety on the CalgaryNEXT project to get going, but if you knew how the development / engineering / design / construction industry really operate, you wouldn't be surprised at the timelines. Not for a project like this.

Although we've come to appreciate you knowledge on these things, especially on the scope of projects this size - I think the sentiment remains that we would have thought the CSEC and the City would have been in talks for years about this project.

To learn they've spent all these years in the planning stages for this project and have yet to have meaningful talks with the city seems borderline incompetent to me.