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Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

- You will never get me to believe the Jays made any effort to win in Tampa. They started Buerhle on like one day's rest.

Depends how you spin it. Royals were in control of their own destiny at that point and Buerhle was trying to get to 200 innings. You talk about reputation, things like this couldn't hurt that reputation.

- Gibbons is not a good Manager. In his latest tenure he is under .500 right up until July Of this year when he was handed the keys to an all star team. He under achieved for two and half years. His game management is terrible, and leaning on his gut instead of looking at the stats costs the Jays all the time. He should have been gone before this season even started. Had they lost to Texas, he would have been canned.

Really up to discretion, could you imagine how pissed some players might be if he was fired after a pretty good season?

- Are you really suggesting Jays fans should be grateful Rogers is keeping the same payroll? Both Rogers and the Jays are hedged on fx so it's not as big of deal as you think, and even if they weren't, these guys made a boatload of money on this run and aren't reinvesting a penny of in back in to the team which is the problem with the Jays in the first place.

Sports teams don't make much money period, there isn't much money at all to be re-invested. Rogers aren't going to throw 50 million at baseball team, thats money that won't be coming back at all. Being a Blue Jays fan its just something you have to live with knowing that a corporation owns the Blue Jays. Some years they won't spend, some years they will go for it.

- they aren't going to reduce payrolll, but they aren't going to be a contender if they don't increase it They desperately need pitching and don't have a single Prospect left to be renters at the deadline. Brunt flat out said they aren't going to be signing any pitchers when they fully intend on rebuilding in 2017. They are essentially wasting 2016 by keeping the status quo. I'm not even going to get into my thoughts on rebuilding. In a market the size of Toronto (well Canada), this team should be restocking through free agency not rebuilding. Even with Bautista and Edwin gone, they still have pillar, Donaldson, Martin, Tulo, and a Travis to build around.

You have the bottom half payroll teams like the Royals and Mets making the playoffs. Let's wait and see what happens this offseason when it comes to making moves for pitchers. Again I believe the our dollar declining really hurt our payroll.

I know the market size is large, but until the end of last season it didn't even result in ticket sales. This is a market that is spread out nationwide. It's not like the Yankees with 20 million people in remote location.

- the general concensus among Jays fans was that they showed Rogers what they are capable of when They commit to fielding a winning team, this would change Rogers opinion on the team. Well it looks like that isn't the case, Rogers gonna do what Rogers gonna do.

Again, thats just the way a corporation works. They have to account for different shareholders. They can't just throw 50 million at a team without receiving a return on their investment and with a sports team they will not. The fact that they are top 10 in payroll speaks volumes that they are somewhat committed to winning. If you want a top 5 payroll team the fan bases of the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox are always open. I'll stick with the ups and downs of being a Blue Jays fan.