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Originally Posted by Azure
Manipulating intelligence and making it up are two different things.
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I said he manipulated it, I didn't say he made it up. I believe that both are equally bad, but I'm sure now we'll be hung up on the difference
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Or he acted upon the intelligence given to him, and decided to invade Iraq. As the CIC, Bush does not 'gather' the evidence, nor does he look after it. He takes what is given to him, and decides in which way he should deal with it.
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I didn't suggest that Bush himself gathered any intelligence.
The administration was provided with lots of intelligence saying all kinds of things. It selectively chose the bits that supported what it wanted (War in Iraq) and ignored the bits that said WMD's didn't exist.
Do you believe that the CIA/NSA was telling the Administration that WMD's absolutely did exist in Iraq, and that the Administration was caught with their pants down by a totally failed intelligence apparatus? I've heard/read that people in the intelligence community were trying to say Iraq had no WMD's and that people like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bolton didn't want to hear it.
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Its also wishful thinking to believe that the Bush Adminstration made up 'all' the evidence in order to justify the invasion of Iraq. They 'acted' upon the evidence 'given' to them.
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Who said the Bush Administration made up all the evidence? I didn't even say they made up any, I said they manipulated existing intelligence... are you talking to me or someone else?