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Old 09-14-2015, 12:47 PM   #2154
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But, its been said numberous times in this thread that the constitution is outdated, and when the founding fathers drafted it they were only talking about muskets, right? (even though the document says arms as the founding fathers knew technology doesn't stand still) So surely they must have only been referring to freedom of speech so long as it's done in Old English and with a medium that was available at the time? By mouth, the odd news print, and oh I dont know... carrier pigeons? Those terrorists would have never taken out the Charlie Hebdo offices if they would just ban that sort of stuff. Right?



Well if more guns equals more crime, as if it's some sort of linear rate, how come African Americans commit the most gun crime?

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...e-data-table-1

Wouldn't be... oh I don't know, social issues driving those rates?



But doing that would already violate existing laws. So if people do that, then again quit sidestepping my question and tell me why people would hand over their arms when apparently they are so willing to break the laws as it is now?
I just can't even. At the risk of sounding like an a-hole, you have been brainwashed by the NRA and other gun lobby sheep. You refuse to use your own mind.

I refuse to be swayed by either rightwing or leftwing media/ideology. I like guns, and I think owning them is very useful. I like exotic guns too. In a perfect world, I love to blow off steam by setting off 10,000 rounds on a 50 cal machine gun on the weekends in my backyard. My favorite gun is the Stg. 44. I'd love to own one of those. I am partial to Lugers as well, they just look so damn awesome. What can I say? German technology tickles my fancy. I've held a real soviet made AK-47, fully auto version in the old country during wartime. I'm not much of a shot gun guy though.

Having said all that, I believe I have a unique view of things. I grew up around hunting guns in Canada. Living in the US as a Canadian pro-gun man, I can unequivocally say that things need to drastically change, as per all my arguments. Folks here worship their guns. A cultural shift needs to happen on a fundamental level, much like the tobacco attitude has changed. The money exists to enact change. Political will power doesn't.

There is no getting through to you, so I'll just let you be from now on. I'm not conceding defeat - just accepting that you are part of a minority that refuses to admit what needs to happen.
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