[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

@2stonehands

I won't quote your since it's too long

No, you wont quote my post because you can't refute any of it.

but you have to realize America isn't unique in it's laws or constitution or violent past or what have you.

Germany is somewhat of a bad example since the Allies MADE them change their laws, but they had institutionalized racism, murder and other immoral laws. Trust me, people BELIEVED in that ####. Millions willingly died to defend those laws, Laws written into the constitution. Once the allies changed the laws, the German public changed their views.

And now we have been Goodwined. Interesting to note that the country you chose to bring up, at that time in history, had a absolute firearms ban for civilians. You would actually bring up and compare a fascist country such as WW2 era nazi Germany, who was kicking sand in the worlds collective face, was involved in genocide, practically invented the practice of police state, and compare it to a free country such as modern USA. You're right, WW2 era Germany IS a bad example.

However, many countries have gone through peaceful scenarios of changing their culture and attitudes. Obviously Australia and their buy back program.

Australia does not have a constitutionally protected right to own firearms. Another bad example.

What about capital punishment?

What about it?

Canada used to execute people (very legally mind you, meaning it was the states' "right" to execute criminals) then one day someone decided you know what, this is pretty barbaric. We need to change this. So they did.

You are associating firearm ownership with capital punishment, because in your mind....

this is pretty barbaric

You view them both as barbaric. Which speaks more to your irrational fear of inanimate objects than anything to do with the structure of society, which in the US was built from their own self determination. Not by a dictator. (lol @ nazi Germany)

It blows my mind that people in the USA can't look around to their neighbors around the world and realize that an armed society belongs in the past, and an armed society is not a safer society. So many times people are killed with their own guns.

Did you know your chances of drowning increase if you have a pool in your backyard? Mind blowing stuff, right? The key is education, something you refuse because in the end, it doesn't take away the rights of over 315 million Americans. Which is what you want.

And by the way, the federal government by all accounts has already overstepped their bounds and become tyrannical. How come you haven't marched onto the capitol yet with your buddies and defended your rights? Isn't that precisely what the 2nd amd is for? Are you too afraid of the US military? I would be. Maybe your old man and his buddies should have done it while they still had the chance of overthrowing the government before the feds became so huge and the military so powerful.

Now THIS is funny!

A: I'm not American.
B: The NRA influence does not cross their borders as I cannot support them in any way shape or form. Their rhetoric is lost on me.
C: Tell Americans a blanket Federal law has been passed banning all handguns and semi auto loading firearms and see exactly how hard the crap hits the propeller.

Maybe your old man and his buddies should have convinced 17th century Americans to "just give up" and allow for their future to be determined by royalty halfway across the planet? Maybe your buddies should have pushed harder for this "common sense" reform that you want before we have the perceived problem we have today? Why is the onus on the "pro gun" side to make this right, when they are operating within the confines of the law? Again, gun homicide has been steadily dropping for 30 years. 150 million new firearms have been purchased by private citizens in the last 20 years. People like you claim that "more guns equal more crime" yet these stats fly in the face of your unsubstantiated claims and actual stats don't seem to hinder you or your ideological push to screw people over when it comes to their rights.

I assume you live in Southern California? Tell you what. Go and put a big sign in front of your house or in your front window that says..

"This is a gun free home"

Do it. Gun free zones are proven safe right? California has the strictest regulations regarding firearms ownership, right up to a registry for all handguns and a ban on "scary" black guns. So you're good to go right? Do it. Prove to yourself and everyone else that a gun free zone is just an awesome place to be.

Still curious how you can, in your words... "I get my hands on any number of high capacity weapons" when you are not a US citizen. Without of course, breaking the law.

So go ahead and prove how awesome gun free zones work and advertise your place of residence as such.