[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

First off, I was talking about Americas allies and other wealthy nations. Mexico is not a good comparison. America should compare herself to Britain, Germany, Canada and other such nations.

So gun bans only work in rich countries, or those that are allies with the US? Gotcha.

Comparing America to other countries that had implemented gun bans is a fools game as all those countries did not have a constitutionally protected right to own firearms in the first place.

Secondly, the 'rights' of the law abiding need to be amended simple as that. It's unfortunate, but the way democracy works is that when a few bad apples screw it up for everyone else, everyone else suffers.

The US is a constitutionally limited democratic republic. The rights of many are not taken away simply because the acts of a few. If it was true, we can start another whole long list of things to ban/rights to take away. Democracy is meant to serve the majority, so your last statement is about as backwards as it gets.

Thirdly, yes criminals will very much so suffer. It's simply supply and demand. America currently has let's say 300 million firearms in the hands of citizens. If the 2nd amd is repealed, and a buy back program instituted, and further production of firearms is vastly restricted, the supply drops. Let's now say that there are only 50 million guns in America after the program the majority of which are hunting rifles and shotguns, and only about 50,000 AR-15s compared to the several million before the buy-back. What do you think happens to the price of AR-15s on the black market? Do you think a low-level criminal can afford a $30k AR-15? A $50k AR-15? Do you think high-level criminals are going to be conducting gun violence?

Ok, lets use your numbers for a minute. Australia's buyback program cost the taxpayer over half a billion dollars to implement and buy back 640,381 firearms.

That works out to nearly $781 per firearm. If we use that same number per your estimation of 250 million firearms bought back, without adjusting for inflation or other circumstances, that would leave the US taxpayer on the hook for 195,250,000,000. Nearly 200 billion dollars. Not gonna happen.

But if it does happen, and a black market is created, potential sellers will not price themselves out of the market. They gotta eat too. They will sell for what the market is willing to bear, not 30-50k for an AR.

Another thing, why single out AR's? Especially when you consider that in 2011, out of the 12664 murders where a firearm was the tool used, only 323 of those were committed with a rifle. ALL rifles, not just AR's.

But CroFlames, what about people who manufacture their own guns? That ban needs to happen as well. The law-abiding become non-law abiding if they continue the practice.

Ok sure. Now what do we do about the import of illegal arms from overseas nations? "But 2stonedbirds, all guns start out as legal guns!"

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...d-gun-secrets/

The entire episode is very informative and worth a watch.

I'm not even a citizen of America, and I get my hands on any number of high capacity weapons at a very reasonable cost. And that is the kicker. This stuff is CHEAP.

Well I hope you have a hunting licence or transport/carry permit that was issued in the US, a green card or been living in your state of choice for over 90 days otherwise you are in violation of federal law.

Again, if you want to get the type of gun control that you have been implying in this thread America will have to re-visit their constitution and amend it.