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Old 08-13-2015, 12:22 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by CroFlames View Post
I disagree.

Post-WWI hardship left Germans disenfranchised with Europe and the western democracies. The hardship, to a large extent, can be attributed to the West and how they wanted "punish" Germany instead of rehabilitate like they did post WWII. Very similar to how the West is perceived in the middle east. Had the victorious powers in WWI chose to help Germany, some may argue WWII wouldn't have happened. The point here is that foreign influence directly led to Germany's circumstances. But Germany chose what path to take after that.

Germany rose up. Germany could have chose a peaceful path, but they chose war. That is on Germany. Not the powers who punished them after WWI, nor on the private enterprises that helped Germany pre WWII.

Similarly, the USA obviously had their nose in everyone's business in the middle east. It's what the USA does. But to attribute any of these crimes committed by ISIS to the USA or the West is folly. Yes, Western foreign policy may have contributed to a creation of extremist groups, or the climate of instability, but the USA did not create Isis directly, nor is it responsible for Isis' actions, just like no one other than Germany was responsible for Germany's actions in WWII.
How do you know for certain that's the point. How do you know for certain the US didn't create ISIS, that they aren't supplying arms and money right now? When the US was gearing up for Syria there was a lot of people inside Syria saying that it wreaked of US involvement, now obviously that's not proof of conspiracy but to say they definitely have no involvement seems premature.

10 years ago you would have called me crazy for saying the alphabet boys were smuggling heroin out of Afghanistan, now you'd have a hard time proving otherwise. With the US track record I don't trust them at all.
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