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Old 08-01-2015, 12:14 AM   #158
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Wow, I leave for a few days and things get mighty interested.

It's beautiful how Thor asks me a question, later refers to someone he knows talking about how people who haven't lost that much weight are the sorts who tend to hold these sorts of viewpoints, then decides that clearly I must have been a small-fat, then goes off on an insane tangent and finishes it off with cussing me out because I think parents should be held accountable to ensure their children don't become unhealthy through poor dietary options (which are primarily the responsibility of the parent/guardian). All before I even answer his questions, he's concluded all these great things about me based on no evidence.

Well damn, I wouldn't want to ruin his fun, so I'll leave it unanswered and we can see what other things he'll come up with to say about me.

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What I will clarify is my statement of the hate yourself / love yourself sentence (the love yourself part which was integral to the message was clearly cut out to make me seem like a big meanie):

It was very much a statement that *I* took to heart during my trials and tribulations with weight. "I hate this. I'm better than this. I'm worth more than this." I finally reached a point where I was tired of what I'd become. I hated the way I looked naked, in clothing, in photos. I hated how I would make excuses when friends invited me out for activities because I knew I physically was unfit to do the things that would be involved and I'd be miserable. I hated that all this living was passing me by. I hated that -- despite eating 'healthy' -- I didn't lose weight.

So when I finally reached that breaking point, I decided that I was worth the effort to get things straight. That took researching what I really needed, and being a natural skeptic, filtering out all the crap from the usual sources (and some that I previously thought were legitimate). I wasn't raised with good eating habits. My dad has developed type 2 diabetes. My mom is overweight if not obese. So it took effort, and I'd spend evenings figuring out calories and macros for my goals. I'm a nerd, so I had a spreadsheet to plot out my ideal trajectory, tracking daily calorie limits (along with a good phone app) and a food scale. Because I love myself. I don't want to die early, become riddled with easily avoidable health issues, or even lose my breath because I went up a staircase too enthusiastically. Life is worth more than that; I'm worth more than that.

So that's the long version. You can't make a change without believing you're worth more than what you are, and if you don't keep pushing yourself in some way, how do you achieve better? Never be happy with the status quo. Push harder. You can use your own word to replace "hate" as ranchlandsselling said. The word hate worked and was accurate for my opinion of my physical condition and my lack of discipline toward it.


As for the claim that Calories In, Calories Out is nonsense, the article you posted is terrible.

http://authoritynutrition.com/debunk...-calorie-myth/

First sentence of the article:
I think the notion of "calories in vs. calories out" is ridiculous.

After the jump:
How much energy we eat and how much energy we expend matters. It is of utmost importance.

The first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy can not be destroyed, it can only change form. So if the energy that is entering the body is greater than the energy leaving the body, then the body will store the energy, usually as body fat.

If we take in more energy (calories) than we expend, we gain weight. If we expend more energy than we take in, we lose weight. This is an unbreakable law of physics and isn’t even debatable.

Ridiculous indeed, physics are so silly. Painting the claim "calories in, calories out" as synonymous with "a calorie is a calorie" when we know these aren't synonymous concepts, then talking about metabolic pathways, hormonal changes and the TEF (all of which explains why different calorie sources can influence our behavior and urges) as a way to discredit the former is disingenuous.

If you eat consume fewer calories than you burn, you will lose weight. Whether you lose weight through catabolizing muscle tissues (insufficient protein) or fat stores is not the concern of the claim, nor is the hormonal and behavioral impact of different foods or the metabolic cost to process different sources like fat, carbohydrate, and protein. Weight will go down if calories are reduced below maintenance levels, and weight will increase if calories are increased above maintenance levels. End of claim.


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Originally Posted by Thor View Post
One question I have for Torque, how long were you obese for, were you obese during childhood? How much total weight did you lose and how long have you kept it off for.

Good job on that by the way, never easy.
Really? Because I could have sworn you just discounted what I did because you have decided on no information that I was a small-fat and so clearly I can't possibly know what it's really like. This compliment rings hollow given your recent statements, and you can keep it. I don't need your congratulations, thanks.
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Typical dumb take.

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