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Old 07-31-2015, 11:18 PM   #154
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True, science is hard. Which is why there is so many science denialists, climate denialists, anti vaxxers, anti gmo'ers...



Hate to play this card again, but start with the BBC series, I linked to before. Then once you finish that series, you can read anything related to the gut biome and obesity research out there, which is in its early stages, but has a lot of promise.



I don't know why you would suggest that, have you read anything of mine and others so far in this discussion? The responsibility has almost nothing to do with genetics, that would represent a tiny % of people suffering from obesity. There is however a number of studies that look at feast&famine and how that if your Grandparents where in feast you would be more likely to gain weight, and/or the reverse.



"Generic claims" and "long videos".. which you have clearly not read or watched. Which is fine by me, not all of us care to spend the time to learn this stuff, but then why comment on it, is my counter argument.

Not sure what you want to know % wise, I keep repeating the numerous studies that show obese and severely obese have a success rate under 2%.



Other people should not have to do this research or spend the effort for you dude. If you want to know any of these answers, you can google it..



Not quite sure the question here. All Canadian's, American's, Europeans suffer from less activity. Poor nutrition? Well typically the poor can only afford high calorie, low nutrient density foods...

Again not exactly sure what you are asking here, does obesity have a mental component, yes, in fact the key to success from obesity is 95% mental.



No idea honestly, probably a very tiny number, less than 1% I would hazard a guess.



How much is alcoholism the responsibility of the person.
How much is gambling the responsibility of the person.

I am not quite sure how you are asking these questions, as they have been addressed before earlier. Not even talking about the video or links to articles either.



In Iceland, a group I work with which treat's food addiction the same as other drug addictions does have a decent bit of success. There are worldwide food addict groups, the same as AA, ALANON, etc..



Never said that, and the fact you did and did it in all caps says quite a bit about how you view the issue.. So far there has been a lot of answers to your questions, articles, studies, videos... But as most people do they skip them and continue to hold on to their dearly held beliefs as you seem to have done, but I hope at least you give that BBC series a watch as it will if nothing open your mind to some new ideas.



I have from the start said, it is a very complex issue. The vast majority of my effort has been to call out those who simplify and demonize obesity in a way that counters the science and knowledge that we have on the subject.
I guess you missed the most important point: people are lazy. I'm lazy. Give me something that summarises the current state of the field that I can read in an hour and be done with it. We're not all going to become obesity researchers overnight, however asking for information to literally educate ourselves doesn't preclude us from participating in the discussion.

You want to win hearts and minds? Then make it easy to understand, and act like you give a #### about educating people rather than getting angry at them. What you are displaying is not passion; it is arrogance and irritation.
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