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Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf
More likely, and this is why you can't just look at stats is this comes from playing against much lesser competition than Daniel and Henrik Sedin (and other top liners) do every night
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Stats can actually quantify quality of competition too...
http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts
At least last year, you're wrong. At evens, Bonino got worse zone starts against roughly equal competition.
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last year Sean Monahan was 150th at pts/60 min, Gaudreau was 115th, Lance Bouma was 68th!, Alex Ovechkin was 107th you can't cherry pick stats like that which dont tell the whole story or should Lance Bouma be getting top line minutes in Calgary ahead of Monahan and Gaudreau?
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Bouma's p/60 was 1.97 last year. That's quite good. The previous 3 seasons it was 1.05, .7, an .64. So either you think he suddenly got much, much better at producing offense 5 on 5, or he probably produced at a higher level than his actual skill last year, and is due to return to Earth this season, as guys do every single year.
Which is why you usually want to look over several years to assess performance.
This is why I don't post in this forum hardly at all. A lot of you guys try to just tear down evidence without even attempting to understand the context, or worse, dismissing it. Everything must be treated as if it's a sham if there's a number attached to it. It's like talking to anti-vaccination people. The ES p/60 numbers over 3 years, even if you think there are error bars on them, are SO significantly different - Bonino near the top of the league, Sutter near the bottom, over multiple years - that the conclusion should be obvious to anyone who isn't inclined to reject the methodology out of hand. Which, go nuts, I guess. All I can do is give you the data.