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Old 07-24-2015, 11:37 AM   #497
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Certainly, but Harper responds by arguing he tried to reform but was blocked. It is a weak defence at this point, but all the Conservatives have to work with. I don't think this proposal will ever count as a "win" for the Conservatives. I see it as a defensive move - Mulcair is going to hammer away on Senate expenses regardless, but by reversing course, the Conservatives take away his "vote for me and I will abolish it" stance. Still charging uphill on the matter though.
Yeah, I suppose it's sort of the best of a bunch of terrible options. In sort of the same vein, I stumbled across this blog yesterday (https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/2...rudeau-on-C-51). It's not really anything profound, and I disagree with some of the commentary, but the guy actually sat down with Trudeau after the C-51 fiasco, and this sort of confirmed my original suspicion:

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The meeting · Trudeau’s opening statement was direct; not smarmy or evasive or pandering. It was along the lines of “We thought there were some good things in the bill and we really didn’t want to give Stephen Harper the chance to fight the election on the security issue, claiming to be the only party tough on terrorism, because that’s where he wants to be.”
Whether it was Trudeau his advisers, strategists, etc., someone in the Liberal party completely dropped the ball and misread the pulse of the Canadian public.

Some other interesting tidbits:

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After Trudeau was done, the rest of us politely but firmly gave him a hard time. People from a fintech vendor explained that their competitive advantage against US vendors due to the wide (and correct) perception that the US intelligence community will subvert any organization’s privacy at a whim, but that Canada is more grown-up, could evaporate. A social-media company executive groused about surveillance chill on the great Internet conversation. A civil-liberties lawyer suggested that policy should be evidence-based, and that there was no evidence that the policies in advanced in C-51 would actually enhance Canadians’ safety.

Take-away on Trudeau · He’s an impressive guy: good communicator, attentive listener, more direct and less formulaic than other politicians I’ve met.

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