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Old 07-24-2015, 12:13 PM   #72
Hack&Lube
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Talking to a retired military guy today he thinks it'll take a world war to reset society and sees no other way, when you look at it there seems to be nothing positive on a world scale happening.

- ISIS in the middle east
- Russia trying to take Ukraine and maybe more
- Saudi's screwing up oil prices
- Euro country's on the brink of bankruptcy
- Iran trying to build a bomb (to end Israel)
- mass shootings in the USA

It goes on and on, the world is truly crap

People have said for a few years now it would take WWIII to fix global economy but would it fix global ######ation as well.?
For all of these items, you are mis-attributing the blame or you are being too short-sighted to realize that they are the results of the last World War and starting another one would be global ######ation on a bigger scale. The world has always been crap. If you can't see that, you've been blind to history.

1. ISIS is the logical end-result of decades of poor post-colonial and cold-war manipulation of the middle-east by Western & Eastern Bloc powers after WWII which led to many of those countries being rules by dictatorships and corrupt governments who served as vassals for the superpowers during those times. The oppression of the populace in these countries served as a catalyst for extremist religion and violent conflict/uprisings to take place there. Once those uprisings took place, it was natural that the victors would start trying to expand their territory and power and wealth. This is the one instance where war is already existing and inevitable if their expansion is to be stopped but if you really want another World War, it's likely you'll have the same problems that happened after WWII leading to this all over again.

2. That Russia has become militarily expansionist should be no surprise to anybody. The expansionist, assimilating, and military policies of modern day Russia that Putin subscribes to are rooted in the WWII/Cold War experience of building a communist bloc and the myth of the Soviet superpower/golden age. Unfortunately, nobody outside of the territories being invaded has the will to fight back as we precisely do not want to start another global conflict.

3. The Saudi's are not responsible for propping up global oil prices. It's American production that has caused oversupply. If you are a farmer and you sell corn for $1/cob and an American farmer floods the market with extra corn production that drops the price to $0.50/cob, it's not your responsibility to stop producing corn so that the price can go back to $1. Starting a war would definitely drive up oil prices but are you really rooting for cheaper gas because people are killing each other?

4. Greece, Spain, and Ireland suffered the most from their respective recessions. Spain was able to recover, Ireland is struggling, but Greece is an example of a country that was admitted to the EU too hastily. They were admitted based on falsified economic numbers and empty promises, their local politics are unstable, and their underground economic culture do not mesh with other economies in the EU. The ambitions to create a United States of Europe are possibly too high for this point in time as the weaker countries are dragging the system down and corrupt banking is unwilling to forgive debt they engendered in the first place. The EU arose from WWII to interlock the coal & steel economies of France and Germany so that they would never go to war again, this makes another world war caused by European powers almost impossible. Another war wouldn't do anything to fix the situation. It would just destroy more capital/industry/economies, take away more lives, and cause another recession that will take Europe decades to dig out from under.

5. Did you miss the fact that Iran has just signed a deal with the UN Security Council and the EU to spin down their nuclear weapons program in return for relaxed economic sanctions? This will lead to more problems with your point about oil prices as Iranian oil could soon flood the market but they are less interested in the moment about bombing Israel than they are about making more money and fighting off ISIS. Iranian forces are some of the primary forces combatting ISIS in the middle east right now. Iran is majority #####e Muslim country whose boarders are being encroached upon. ISIS is a Sunni force that wishes to wipe out #####es, local governments, and establish more territory for their caliphate. Avoiding another world war is exactly the reason the nuclear deal was made.

6. Shootings in America have always been a problem for its entire existence. There is no way to fix this aside from removing the abundance of easily obtainable firearms from the general populace. Any criminal or nutcase can easily obtain a firearm and it simply takes one out of a population of millions to pull a trigger and kill several people at once. Removing firearms from the population/general circulation is not a realistic or fair solution given the politics and history of the United States. As long as the guns are there, this problem will always exist and there is no solution. I don't see how another War could solve this. If anything, that would flood the market with even more guns.

The world has always been bad, in-fact, it's probably been worse overall throughout history. We are actually at a high-point of civilization today. That you don't see this means you don't understand enough about it or have too short-sighted a view.

If anybody is advocating WWIII, I'm sorry but you are stupid in the head. With modern weapons, WWIII would be the end of civilization entirely.
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