I've said it before, but 12 and 14 are already retired. Doesn't matter what you call the ceremony when a banner is actually raised to the rafters, but nobody will ever wear either number again.
The complaints about the "Forever a Flame" thing vs. "retirement" is nothing more than arguing semantics.
The only thing that bugs me about all this is that I wish they would convert Lanny and Vernon's banners to match.
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