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Old 06-29-2015, 08:56 PM   #2547
Oling_Roachinen
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I've read the exchange between Squiggs96 and myself again.

Day 4 Squiggs96 goes hard for a couple things, first that he voted to save East Coast Flame (Hey, he tried to save a townie, there's no way he is host!) and who would make good spore candidates.

Right out of the gate:
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Originally Posted by squiggs96 View Post
Wrong. You go back and see who the dead trusted and who they implicated. I'm looking at how easily the votes came off the neutrals and mrk and how they ended up on ECF.

My guess is Oling got the spore again. Whether he's infected or not remains to be seen.

I'm golfing now but will expand later tonight on all my thoughts.
He's leading discussion but doing it in the least conspicuous way possible. He wants us to see who changed their votes to ECF, but he doesn't want to do it himself. He doesn't want to get in trouble for naming any of the names.

He puts me out for the spore, but it's "just a guess." If people agree with him he can come back "after golfing." He's trying to generate discussion with how he wants discussion to go, but not look like he's leading the charge.

He started Day 4 right out of the gate that I was a spore target. When pressed, by others and myself, he suggests that the spore would go to a confirmed town.
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Originally Posted by squiggs96 View Post
You and Puxlut seem to have as much confirmed town status as anybody around here. I stated it in my post, and you confirmed it here. I believe it would be a good idea to send it to a confirmed townie. Since it's a waste to send it to Pux, you are the only other option.
Those are his words, not out of context but feel free to reread that post and the ones before it. Notice he's missing SebC. Again, since we're probably on our last day, this was not a small mistake. He thinks that the spore will go to a confirmed townie and picks me, but not SebC...the actual confirmed townie who ended up being turned.

Now we have a back and forth and he changes his story quickly. He's not calling me confirmed town, and he wants to be perfectly clear that he wasn't. The other two hosts clearly didn't like how he, at least super heavily implied, that I was a confirmed townie, so he backtracks and makes it look like I'm twisting his words. He keeps saying stuff like that so he doesn't have to actual discuss the relative parts of the discussion.

GGG, when you asked who I would check and I told you SebC, that's when I was somewhat sure you were the Government Agent, or at least a Host trying to make it look like you were. We had the discussion yesterday when you did hint that you knew SebC was killed by the Host and as I clue in you can see my shift in arguing that the Government Agent should reveal since it could be lynch and learn to being okay with it. Squiggs96 comes out with the possibilities for what happened. He was right, he correctly listed that the host killed SebC, but he left out far more "likelier" options.
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Originally Posted by squiggs96 View Post
My guess is you are right that Seb was turned on night 4 to put heat on me. I expected it was a possibility, so I'm not surprised at the start of Day 6. Since Seb was killed on night 5, there are four possibilities.

1. He was turned on night 3, but the Agent investigated Oling on night 4 at my urging. Seb sent the spore to someone on night 4 and that person is also turned. (Emphasis added)

2. Seb was turned on night 4. The Agent investigated him on night 5 and killed him.

3. Seb was turned on either night 3 or 4. Devo held the spore once he was lynched. The Captain wanted the spore back so he/she could pass it on Night 5, so he killed Seb in order to get it back.

4. Devo did not have the spore, but the captain wanted the spore anyways and killed Seb to regain control.
He's not considering part b of number 1...that the person wasn't turned. Why? Why is he jumping to the person being getting the spore being turned when we, at least the townie, have no information on that. It's a 50/50 coin toss and he didn't even consider the possibility that the spore carrier wasn't turned.

It's like he knew there was a turned and forgot of the possibility that the spore carrier may not be turned. And today we find out that the spore carrier almost certainly was turned.

Now I did lead the charge on Devo22. It's likely he had the spore which is why the Host killed SebC to get it back. I don't think if I was Host I would purposely lead the charge against the spore carrier. There is some advantage, making sure the spore goes where you want, but at the cost of a turned it's probably not the best strategy unless they were really afraid SebC was going to die anyways.
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