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Originally Posted by Flickered Flame
Lilly was wrong to argue with Gibbons on the mound but the manager should not follow the pitcher into the clubhouse looking for a fight. The Jays will not be a true contender until they find a manager that can lead them. This is the 2nd player that Gibbons has or wanted to fight in less then 2 months.
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I agree in general with your thoughts but I don't think that their inability to be a true contedor has much to do with Gibbons. The team has played well this season and if they had any kind of 4 and 5 starter they would be in the race. I don't think you can blame Gibbons for the team's inability to compete for post-season spot this season.