[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

This post really stands out for me in setting up a scenario of lynching two arguing players. It is really easy to see why a host would advocate this if he knew those two were town players. He should be acutely aware of how last game went with townspeople fighting amongst themselves. If squiggs were a host, it would have the added benefit of putting heat on the survivor.

I think that him already coming up with a plan when I don't die is also pretty telling:

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

I feel the resistance to wanting to be investigated might be fake in order to be investigated. If he creates enough doubt in people's minds that he might be turned, the GA investigates him and it won't find anything if he's a host. If someone acts guilty enough, then people can assume he's guilty. It will have wasted a night of investigation while there could be a couple of turned passengers out there if the GA investigates Oling if Oling is a host.

I mean he's the one who kept bringing it up, I wanted to drop it and let the Government Agent investigate who they wanted.




And in that post, as far as I can tell, is his only mention on why he didn't include SebC:

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

Another easy one. I'm town. I think it's a possibility if you are town that you have the spore. I'm not obsessed with Seb. You keep bringing that up, but I don't need to include him. And this is also what I'm getting at. Most people are placing Seb as confirmed town. I don't. I know what happened, but that doesn't mean I'm interpreting it the same way. ECF died warning of this. I had many concerns that were the same as his. This is one of them.

He doesn't have to believe either me or SebC are town, which is fine - caution is important. But his whole argument that I likely got the spore because at least a couple people thought I was town doesn't explain why he didn't mention SebC. I would argue that SebC had much greater claim to being a confirmed town, I mean I put him there (obviously with spore in play that may no longer be the case). I would argue Squiggs96 did as well with this post:

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

The post by Mazrim was very good for Seb in aligning him with the town

But interesting enough, he also cast doubt on all the players I considered confirmed townies (Puxlut, SebC and me ):

Originally Posted by squiggs96

So you worded something to Mazrim in a role neutral way. Why? He obviously knows everyone's roles and alignments. When whatever confirmation you were looking for came back, you would still not be allowed to quote it, so you could phrase it however you wanted. I'm puzzled as to what you asked, why you asked it that way, and where you were going with it. I know you're the cryptic post guy, but it seems odd to go about it in this way. The biggest thing I don't get is saying that you posted a question to Mazrim instead of just waiting for the answer and then posting the whole story.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Crazy, tinfoil hat, conspiracy theory time!

Oling's a host. Puxlut received the spore on day 0 and is now infected. Her end game has changed, so now she needs to recruit as many others to the infected side to achieve victory. By asking for the spore back, she is able to control where it goes. Oling wins when they and the turned account for 50% or more of the total living players, so he is happy when this happens. He knows she is turned because the hosts know of all turned players at all time. The hosts cannot be turned by receiving it, so he isn't afraid of having it sent to him. Since the town needs to kill/lynch the captain, second in command and the engineer to win, diverting the attention to the spore is a good plan. We, as townies, don't need to kill any of the turned; we just need to ensure they and the hosts don't account for at least half of the players.

The normal way of thinking (to me) of starting the game would be to send the spore to a passenger. We have all seen Oling be as good at mafia as anyone. He's crafty enough to either send it to another host to create confusion and deception, or play it off as though he received it himself when he's already turned someone.

If there was a counterclaim on Pux's anomaly it would help my tinfoil hat theory. It's not me, so this isn't a cryptic message like actieStick. I'd love to believe Pux is the anomaly, but in mafia I've been led astray many times. I want to believe her, but I don't want everyone to simply follow and confirm her town because she claimed anomaly and was vouched for by Oling. Everyone in Smash Bros thought HG15 was town for the vast majority of the game as well. That turned out poorly for us.

I will say that if he's right about mrkajz44 or I don't think there's a turned player when tomorrow comes, I will likely change my mind but there's a lot of stuff that makes me suspicious of him.

And as an added bonus:

Originally Posted by Squiggs96

The second part is because in my opening post in Smash I made a reference to wanting to kill the scum. I wanted to make a similar start here as well.

Admitting to trying to copy your playstyle last time seems sketchy to me.