[Party Elephant]

Let's break this post down:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Since Seb appears to be the only one who hasn't voted, I'll address my suggestion for voting Party Elephant primarily to you. My mason telepath vibes are getting a potential Starseed/Lego vote from you, based on previous oblique comments about that player.

I think it would be better for you (and anyone else who's thinking of switching) to vote for party. The Lego/Starseed vote is not a bad one, the substitution especially strikes me as suspicious, but here's why I'm keeping my vote on party for now.



This vote reasoning is pretty scummy. Basically, he starts from the position that since he's town the accusation of him is BS. "I'm voting for him cause he voted for me but don't worry it's not a revenge vote" Um. Ok.

I know it's BS. All I can do is state my defence. Nothing I say is proven until I cardflip. The thing about a revenge vote is more of a jab at my day 1 playstyle where I made two votes on people who voted for me without a lot of other reasoning, which GGG called me out on. Considering how I have a fair bit of reasoning behind this vote I don't think you can say I'm just voting for starseed because he voted for me.

This was in response to HG asking about a potential Party/mrkajz link, (which seems credible). Party pointed to a vote/unvote sequence that seems scummy on its own, commenting that he's knows it can look like scum. Notice he doesn't actually deny a mrkajz link.

Again, what would be the point of that? If I just say "there is no link between me and mrkajz" would you believe it more?

There is no link between me and mrkajz.

Make a difference? No? I didn't think so.

I posted the evidence of why a link between me and mrkajz is dubious. I asked starseed if he thought it was staged and he has danced around the question, which in my opinion is scummy enough to get my vote.

Finally, I think the voting pattern is highly suspicious. MrKajz votes starseed, and the next vote only a few posts down the page is a Party Elephant vote for starseed. That essentially confirms the link, in my opinion, as they both latch on to the person most likely to get lynched other than themselves.

Party Elephants couched sort-of-denials of the link seem very suspicious to me when confronted with reasonable evidence of a link. My experience from the game when I was mafia was that it was actually pretty hard to out-and-out lie when typing something, especially when directly accused with the truth. I can see why they would be panicking, because if we link them and lynch one who turns host, that's a guaranteed host lynch two days in a row, which would get us 2/3rds of the way to our win condition.

So much wrong with this part. Where do I even begin? Your mind is already made up on my alignment, so posting my own reasons for voting for starseed apparently count for nothing.

I'm assuming by "couched" you mean coached, and once again you're wrong. The only coaching I've received in this game was right in the thread. Here are some examples:

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Go read some of the previous game (not all... that would take you all week!) I did that last game and found it kind of helped... You'll notice there was alot of lame chatter on the first day IIRC. But at least people were posting. It may give you an idea on how other people have played the game. But like others have said: every game is different. Some people hold their cards to their chest and others are vocal about their suspicions. And others are just clueless and ask lots of questions (<--- that's me last game.) This game I am going to try to be a combo of analytical and instinctual.

Originally Posted by GGG

The reason you voted for me was you were pissed you got voted for, now that you have thought about it you have come up with other justifications but you really should own your reasons for your vote.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I get the time difference thing, but here is an example of your body of work. Regardless of the time difference it's not like you are really replying with anything of importance.

Stuff happens during the day that you could comment on and reply to regardless of your time zone, it would just be delayed is all. Your views on people/theories are still valid and important even if they are later than ours.

There was another one by hockeyguy that I couldn't find where he said something along the lines of digging up quotes to back up my arguments rather than just making sweeping statements as that looks scummy. I found that one very helpful, even though it took me a couple of days to heed it since at that point I was thinking "hg is a host so don't trust a word he says". Anyways, thanks hg.

Is it really that hard to believe that as I gather new information and experience that my playstyle adjusts? I am, in fact, capable of making my own decisions without being coached.

As for being directly accused with the truth, well I haven't been so there's no need to lie.

As for your "if we link them and one flips host, that guarantees a host lynch of the other" statement. Wow. That is brutal. First of all, you haven't proven the link. If we lynch mrkajz and he flips host that doesn't prove anything about me. You'd be lynching a townie (me) for a very manufactured, even scummy reason. Notice how at no point have I defended mrkajz, I could even have gotten on board with lynching him before starseed shot up my suspicious list. My vote will stay where it is this round unless I'm presented with some really compelling evidence to switch it.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Why not vote for mrkajz44 and push him into the lead then? He was already winning when you made your vote and you thought he could be scum. If you already feel you've confirmed the link, why leave the vote to someone who has a chance of being turned already when you could just vote for the other guy?

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Unvote

Vote: mrkajz44

I'm now afraid that bizaro86 is working with mrkajz44. The pressure is on mrkajz44, bizaro86's has been vocal of the potential for mrkajz44 to be scum and is voting for Party Elephant (at least in part) because of his connection to mrkajz44, so why not just vote mrkajz44? I think you got to be skeptical of people who are happy to say so-and-so is possibly host, but not end up voting for him/her when the time comes without actually defending the person.

If they are indeed working together, if mrkajz44 still ends up lynched bizaro86 can say tomorrow how he always thought he was scum but if he was able to move the vote to Party Elephant and save mrkajz44 tomorrow he could say that "well there goes that connection, I'm going to look elsewhere now."

^What he said.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

MrKajz is already in the lead, so he doesn't need my vote to get lynched. However, I'm concerned that there could be an unvote for mrkajz and a vote for lego/starseed at the end of the day, that would have switched them in the vote order (at the time of my post) with starseed getting lynched.

Thus, my preference would be for mrkajz/party elephant to be one-two in votes.

Now that you've switched off starseed to mrkajz, that is less likely.

Also, I see the link being more from party's side, which makes him the more likely host in my opinion. For example, he voted starseed second, and he's the one with the lame defense. Thus, it's possible that party is host and mrkajz isn't, and party is trying to latch on to someone he knows is town and who looks likely to get lynched. Then he can get one the other hosts to point to the link later and say "they're linked and mrkajz was town so probably party is too."

Finally, I think party has been the quieter of the pair, so even if they're both host (which is the most likely scenario, imo) there's a greater chance he is the captain, which would add value to his lynch compared to getting either the engineer or second in command.

You're not providing any evidence to any of this! You're just saying I believe this, this is most likely, but you're not doing anything to prove it. Look where your wild speculation got you last round by the way:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Yeah, I definitely don't want to be linked with ECF. I'm genuinely voting for him, and when I voted for him that pushed him into a tie with HG. No way a scum team would do that. If he flips scum, I'll be thrilled. I'd encourage everyone to consider the three people who are tied. I think ECF is the most likely to be scum of the three, he is sort of the anti-HG, and I think he is doing it to try and slide by as a scum.

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

I’m not going to be around much today, so consider this my death post.

I’ve had a bad feeling about the 3 people that have been anointed “confirmed town”: Puxlut, Oling and Seb. The ONLY people who are confirmed town at this point in the game are Active and Girly.

You guys have put so much faith in them that you have essentially lynched me without any ability to defend myself. Just because Seb and Oling have some “bad feelings”. That is absurd. And as will see with my death, all that listening to these people will get you is another town death.

I am also extremely wary of Bizarro who seems to be the biggest slurper of these “confirmed townies” and is constantly pumping their tires and reminding us that they are super duper 100% confirmed town.

I guarantee that at least one of the three is scum, and Bizarro is highly likely.

Stop letting Seb off the hook with not explaining anything. That is a total cop out. Putting blind faith in him when he hasn’t done anything to earn it is ridiculous. But he is getting away with it for god knows why – especially with his number 1 fan Bizarro in his corner.

As for my other scum thoughts – Mrkajz has been at the top of my list for a while. I don’t like how Peanut is flying under the radar. Lego I could go 50/50 on.

My townie thoughts – I generally trust Squiggs the most. Pretty sure HG and Dissent are town, and I wish they would lay off each other and work together. Devo I think is probably town.

Not going to vote HG as I think he is town and he will probably be more helpful to the town down the road than I will be.

Reading back, I think Bizarro has really gotten on my radar today. It really seems he has been hiding behind the shield of the three “confirmed townies” and just trying to follow along with them. So let my final vote stand as this:
Unvote
Vote: bizaro86
Good luck friends! Hopefully I’ll see you on the other side!

Food for thought.