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Originally Posted by Hackey

I don't even understand why you're rambling on about this.

Okay, since your reading comprehension is at a similar level to your spelling, I'll break it down for you by aggregating my two posts into one post and then boldfacing "why" I am rambling on about this.

But before that, let's examine your claim:

Originally Posted by Hackey

We've all seen the Hobey Baker list. We all have a general idea of the best players to come out of the NCAA. So no I didn't search the list hoping for anything, I already knew what would be on there. A lot of names most people haven't heard of.

Your implication here, is that Hobey Baker winners are the best players to come out of the NCAA. There's no sidestepping of that statement - these are your words. You're drawing a correlation between Hobey Baker and NCAA All-Tournament teams as lacking value due to the presence of non-NHL players. That's the only reason you even brought the Hobey Baker up - to artifically evidence that NCAA produces so few real NHLers. The other implication here, is that you ::weren't:: expecting Jonathan Toews, Zach Parise, Johnny Gaudreau, Marty St. Louis, Blake Wheeler, Phil Kessel, Kyle Turris, Danny DeKeyser, Ryan McDonagh, Torey Krug, Kevin Hayes etc to be on the All-Tournament teams list.

Now this is a combination of what I posted, all of which was directed in response to your assertions:

That's a fair point as it would be for any non-pro league. So let's filter it out and look at the guys who, since 1990, like Jankowski were

1)20YO or younger at the time (since the list is littered with fully grown men who were, 23+):

2)Drafted by an NHL team (i.e. players who showed before NCAA play that they had NHL upside)

3)Listed 5'11 or taller

Mark Jankowski (20)
Jack Eichel (18)
Anthony Florentino (20)
Shayne Gostisbehere (20)
Brian Dumoulin (20)
Jon Merrill (18)
Brian Rolston (20)
Paul Kariya (19, actually under 5'11)
Brian Rolston (19)

That's what I ended up, going down the list. Looks like pretty select company over a 25 year period. 8 players in 15 years. 7 if you cut Kariya out to stick with the filter. But not sure why anyone would cut Paul frickin Kariya out of such a list.

let's filter the Hobey Baker, last 25 years list for players 20 or younger:

Jack Eichel (18)
Johnny Gaudreau (20)
Ryan Miller (20)
Paul Kariya (19)

Four players have won Hobey Baker at Jankowski's age in the last 25 years in college hockey. I'm pretty sure there's way more than four players who played college hockey at Jankowski's age who have made the NHL, though.

looking at 23-24 year olds who are winning these awards and using that as evidence that the league doesn't produce NHLers is absurd. A 24 year old senior in NCAA is about the same as a 20 year old in Junior overager. It's a terrible "example" to use to prove a point.

Do you now understand? Players falling under similar criteria to Mark Jankowski, who are named to or win national awards like this, are generally not no-name players. They're outliers, most of whom went on to have pretty good NHL careers. Jury's still out on the younger players, because they're respectively a 23 old D, a 22 year old who's 5'11 and missed a whole pro season with a torn ACL, and three players who made the team simultaneously in the same year and still haven't had any opportunity at a pro career - that's pretty historic for three players in the same year to fit the same criteria after only five players over the previous 24 years did so.