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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Really now, so fighting Hitler and losing nearly a generation of thier young men was about economics and power. How about Korea? WW1? Vietnam was a war to support a corrupt regime, however it came about because they had pledged support to this regime, they already had power and influence in the area, and it became a key tipping point in the American's losing more then men, equipment and money in the region.
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During and after WWII American had one of it's biggest industrial growths. American factories couldn't pump out weapons fast enough and large companies like Boeing and others where becoming filthy rich from the war effort.
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I see, so the desire to be free from rule from a foreign state and a system of unfair taxation that the British were using to pay for thier wars elsewhere was a bad thing. Wow. The British government was completely content to rape its colonies, and enforce thier rule of law by the gun. See the Boston Massacre.
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American greed was the man reason. Colony merchants and business was booming. They felt were selling tobacco, food, clothing and other goods to England. Meanwhile England was taxing them and taking away from they profits. I am not saying the American revolution was bad it just wasn't for the glourious reasons American history makes it out to be.
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Crap, the major cause of the war was the election of Lincoln which ended southern control of the U.S. Government and his intention to stop the expansion of slavery. Lincoln might not have ended slavery, but he was certainly putting the mechanics in place to stop it. the South hated losing control of the capital, and didn't want to see the end of slavery
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The south wanted out of the Union. Much the same way America wanted out of England's control. During the mid 1800's textile was the North's largest industry. The south controlled almost all of the cotton, used in the textile facoties, in the world at the time and was making alot of money. The north did not want to let go of that indusrty. Slavery and State Rights came after the fact.
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The American's saw WWII as a European adventure, and didn't want to send thier boys to die in Europe so soon after the end of WWII. they had withdrawn from the world and attempted to isolate thier economy so they wouldn't be at the mercy of Europe. In no way did the start of WWII threaten the continental United States, and they were under no treaty obligations to join. They supplied the British with planes and weapons through.
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A European adventure eh? If that's what you call murdering 6 million jews and gypsies. The war did threaten the continental US.
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n fact if the Japanese had not pulled the American's into WWII, the states would probably have been a far richer and more powerful nation now due to the fact that up until 1941 they continued to do business with all of the sides of the war. America didn't cut off trade of Oil and scrap metal and freeze Japanese assets until Japan invaded French Ido China in 41.
from the tone of your comment you make it sound like the bombing of pearl harbour was the fault of the American's. Of course it was ok for the American's to enter WWII after a undeclared start of a war against them.
Read up on the neutrality act of 1935.
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If American cut off all trade and was essentially starving a country to death, attacking a
military base is justified. If I remember correctly American dropped Atomic bombs on 2 cities filled with more civilian presence then military presence. It's better for innocents victims to die then soilders whose job is to die and fight right?
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Of course, but I think you have to look at the overall world landscape at the time. The Soviet Union was the big bad, they outnumbered the American's by as little as 3-1 in conventional arms, had since WWII held countries in Europe in an iron grip. Communism had also seen aggressive moves by other communist states. So at that time, the domino effect was a reality that wouldn't be disproven until the early 90's. If America didn't come to the aid of S Vietnam as they had with S Korea, they would have lost tremendous faith in the region, and would have given the North Vietnam government and the Chinese and Russians tremendous power in the region. The other fear is that it would have lead to the loss of both Japan and Australia in the long run.
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You make it sound like Russia ran all od Europe, hardly true. Communism sure looks all powerful now doesn't it. The cold war was a war of 2 super powers afraid to lose their power.
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It was a stupid war, but the American's had no choice but to fight it. The problem was that Vietnam was a war of half assed measures and stupid decisions on a national level.
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And getting beat by a smaller guerilla army.