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Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

I think you will have a hard time proving that people had no idea how bad Hitler really was. Sure, most of his atrocities emerged after the war, but it was enough to listen to his speeches even before he came to power to realize what kind of a monster he was.

Nope. People had no idea how bad he was. Its not like his anti-Jew speeches garnered that much attention; as I said earlier, western states were denying Jews access to their countries, they weren't popular at the time. I think you're confusing your hindsight with the realities of the time. I'm pretty sure none of the Allied states knew, or acknowledged that they knew, that the Holocaust was happening until the very end-stages of the War.

Where did I say that you are a nazi supporter

By implying that I believed it was a bad idea for the US to fight Germany, while draping yourself in reightousness.

But you seem to think that the US entered the war for selfish reasons only, because they didnt want a world competitor. But the point is - whatever their reason was - when Americans entered the war, they helped more people, not just themselves (when they got rid of stron Germany) as you seem to imply.

Fair enough, but the debate is whether or not they entered the war to help these people, or to protect their own geo-political position. I happen to think that motives count, not just actions. I believe its a mistake to think that the US was a shining white knight, looking for the downtrodden to crusade in their favour.

Same thing goes for the Korean war, did the Americans fight because they loved southern koreans, proably not, did they help souther koreans - you bet your ass they did. Any southern korean who looks at nothern korea has got to be grateful, no matter if the US fought for ideological reason or not.

Fair enough. Again, I think motives actually count when evaluating a nation's actions, rather that simply outcome and consequence.