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Old 05-29-2015, 11:35 AM   #1591
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch View Post
I don't know dude, I'm not current anymore on European arms.

But I believe that the Ukrainians use the T-84 which is similar to the T-80 Russian main battle tank. Russia primarily uses the T-90 MBT, however when they retired their T-80s, about 4000 of them, they put them into storage, I'm betting if we saw satellite pictures of the Russian forces gathering on the border you'd see some T-80s

The Ukrainians use mainly the BTR-4 APC/AFV, which is pretty similar in appearance to the Russian BTR-90

The Ukraines also have a health number of BTR-94's which are a modification of the Russian BTR-80 which the Russians still have in service.

The standing personal weapons that the Spetznaz uses have been imported all over the world, they're not exclusive to Russia, so Russia's argument remains the same, we sell thousands of these weapons to other countries, how they end up in the hands of Ukrainian fighters is beyond our control.

Hell the Ukrainian military uses a lot of the same anti aircraft and artillery as the Russian military including the Buk systems.

Its going to be difficult to prove Russian intentions or involvement unless you capture someone that can prove that he's taking orders from Russia while wearing Russian unit identifiers and driving equipment that they can prove comes from Russian active war stocks.
There is a lot of overlap, but what are the chances that so many coincidences happen with all the equipment being used lining up directly with Russian military/special forces, with such regularity in exactly the same combinations. Also the modernized T-72B3s (circa 2013) and the SA-22 systems I mentioned in my last post were a dead giveaway as Russian supplied. How do entire regiments of weapons disappear from inventory without someone hiring up not investigating this.

Unless someone subscribes to the Soviet/NK propaganda departments, it is pretty clear where this stuff is coming from just with inferred evidence. Just I don't think there is strong enough of a case for prosecution, like you said, without some leaked Russian order papers and non-retroactively discharged soldiers being captured and ratting out the whole system to the ICC/press.

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