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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
They way I look at things, the first round pick should be the pick the organization is 100% assured of and committed to. That other picks pan out is a credit to the scouting team and the GM in a different way. Some picks are made for depth, some to take chances on players that are a gamble... but I feel that busting a first rounder is a much more egregious indictment of a GM's abilities and reflects on the truist extent of their vision.
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Thats an awfully simplistic way of looking at it. Again, ignoring the premise that its the scouting team (Button, Webster, et al) that actually are the ones who put in the work to scout and work with the players... you ignored many factors including:
- position that Chucko, Pelech, Nemisz were drafted - 19th, 26th, 25th.... versus Sven, Monahan and Jankowski - 13th, 21st and 6th
- quality of prospects in their draft year (2005 and 2006 were pretty bad years)
- how did the players within the range (say +/-3 spots) perform ?
- why do you keep leaving out Mikael Backlund? Also Erixon might not be with the Flames anymore, but he garnered two 2nd round picks and a prospect, that has to account for something
- if what you are saying is true, that 1st round pick are a reflection on a GM and the rest is just scouting and luck (I disagree but I digress) then you can't give the mid-round picks so much credit
In the end... its all for not IMO, because all the work is Tod Button and his staff. Its weird to me to people give credit to the people who were not part of the decision process over and over again, but seldom mention the people who did do the work. This is mandatory reading for anyone of that ilk :
http://flamesnation.ca/2012/5/14/the...-of-tod-button
If you want to credit Hudler, fully 100% agree with you..... if you go back to that thread, I loved that UFA signing at the time. Hartley, agreed, he's been one of the biggest reasons for success. This is how I see today's important pieces and who brought them in :
Feaster - Hartley, Hudler
Button/Webster under Darryl - Giordano, Brodie, Bouma, Ferland
Button/Webster under Feaster - Monahan, Gaudreau
Button/Webster under Burke - Bennett
Feaster did have some wins for sure... but it seems like there's just way too much trying to justify his existence.
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
I have to give Feaster credit for refusing to deal Ferland when Phoenix tried hard to get him in the Langkow/Stemps deal. That shows Feaster had some forsight there.
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Thats really weird that you would completely disregard any credit to the guy/team that brough Ferlandt in, but then think so highly of the guy/team for simply not trading him.