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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
Ah, so then we should stop, and you're right and we're wrong. We're willing to make the effort to prove where you are wrong, using the documents that you yourself discuss, and that's still not satisfactory. I guess that you're still waiting for Bush to come right out and say that he lied, that they went to Iraq to profiteer and develop a base of operations in the middle east? Is that what its going to take for you to see WTF is going on?
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Read back ... never called anyone wrong. I think you're the guy calling yourself right and patting yourself on the back.
you can talk as much time as you want but that's not my point. You know we both can go out and find it. I've read things absoloutley cut and dried on both sides and that's disturbing.
So do your usual, ****y escalating attack all you like. I'm saying it's a waste of time, because ... well .. it is.
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
You can thank your boy Dumbya for making it a battle between sides. The "great uniter" has become the most divisive agent in the world since Hitler. "Yer either with us, or with the terrorists". That was a brilliant speech and made the majority of the world with the terrorists (at least in the Bushies eyes). Fact of the matter is that WORLD press is reporting on the goings on and they see things in a pretty unified light. So really, there are no two sides to the story other than the Bushies, and everyone else.
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Because you say so?
Forgive me for not just agreeing with a statement as simple and uncooked as that.
Are you suggeting the world press is without anti-American bias across the board? That would be quite a statement.
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
Good god, who gives a **** if they have a missile system CAPABLE of delivering an agent? They didn't have the agent to deliver! That would be like a cop arresting you on the way into a bar because you have the capability to drive drunk and kill someone, even though you don't own a car. If we allow countries to start making decisions based on bull**** evidence like that, why bother having countries at all? We can all be slaves to who ever is the stongest and kill us the quickest.
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Who gives a XXXX? Blix did or he wouldn't have pointed out the fact that Iraq had no means to explain where the chemical masses from 91 were, how they were disposed and at what time.
He was concercned and mentioned the missile system to deploy it.
Beyond that I've never suggested he was pro invasion, in fact I said, the opposite. I brought the man up when it was suggested that there were no concerns. There were.
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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald
How hard is it to admit that you were wrong, that the guys you support are wrong, and that what is going on is immoral? The world is a much worse off place because of the actions of the Bush administration. Their little foray into Iraq has destablaized not only the region, but the whole world. From a moment of universality as humans to a polarization of people and feeling of utter contempt for the United States in four short years. That's gotta a be record. I guess that's something "your side" can hange their hat on.
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That whole paragraph is an opinion Lanny. Period.
I did admit that the intelligence was wrong. I also suggested that Bush was wrong to not come out and say that, say that they went in on WMD, can't find them, but now they need to see things through in order to come to a resolution that makes the region a safer place.
I would have respected that. He didn't do it, and I think it's bad politics.
So I'd get off your admit your wrong bent, because I've said all that above, and I've never been one to run from any opinion and you know that.
Beyond that it's hyperbole. I don't know the world is worse off any more than you do. Maybe the opposite is true and an even bigger attack on US soil would have happened without the Iraq conflict. I don't know. Guess what ... either do you. I've said it before and I guess I'll have to say it again. I'm an action person. I've always respected politicians that have conviction and make mistakes from time to time more than those that wilt and look for public opinion and never get anything done.
Iraq hasn't gone well but they're in there and they need to stay until they iron it out. Turning tail would be devestating.
I felt it a good move back then, and once in they need to see it through.
Not sure how much I can really say.