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Originally Posted by photon
You mentioned both those books as references that are "virtually textbooks" in the same breath, I only commented on the one I knew anything about.
I haven't read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich but it looks interesting (and far more credible a resource at first blush).
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the AFOREMENTIONED "rise and fall fo the third reich"
quoted from my post. as in, something i HAD mentioned, not something i mentioned in the same post that i said 'aforementioned'.
and it is a hell of a book.
i warn you however. it has the closest version to truth possible, shirer was in germany in the 1920s and followed the entire war from europe, watching the nazis from the earliest days. book was written after he spent 20 years poring through the documents available from the day of the collapse, a historical oddity in many ways.
mentions the personal correspondance hitler had with zionist leadership - some similar goals.
the implications are serious of course - that zionist leaders were complicit in the slaughter of so many jews is not an idea to be treated lightly.
the idea that some of the guys that created israel had been complicit in the excuse for it - the holocaust - in order to further their own agenda may lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. and not just that hungary thing. that is chaff.
be warned - there are sick ****s out there that try to hide this very documented truth by labelling anyone who mentions it an anti-semite. in this thread i was accused when my post didn't even contain the word 'jew' - a startling revelation when one looks at the accusation.
the truth hurts.