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Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I can't say a single slightly negative thing about Iginla without someone coming to his aid on CP. It's becoming very tiresome..

When you think Iginla do you think 'passer' or 'sniper'. Sniper, which is why he and Tanguay were always a great pairing. I'm not saying he can't pass, but it's not his strongest ability. The last year Iginla played with Cammy, he also played with Tanguay since they were both shoot first type players.

The previous poster decided to say that Glencross' success was due to Iginla's passing and I was calling him out on it.

Actually, read my post. I said Iginla assisted on a lot of Glencross' goals. I didn't say his success was due to Iginla's passing. Glencross' success was due to Curtis Glencross.

There are many way to get assists. Passes are one. Rebounds are another. Deflections are yet another. And the better the player on whose stick the puck is, the higher the chance the TEAM scores because of the way those great players shift defenses.

When I think of Iginla I think "great multidimensional offensive player" not "sniper" or "passer". Here's his numbers in some of Glencross' better years:

2008-2009	FLAMES	82	35	54
2009-2010	FLAMES	82	32	37
2010-2011	FLAMES	82	43	43
2011-2012	FLAMES	82	32	35

Look at that, as many assists or more pretty much every year as goals. As for Tanguay, He's also been the finisher on Iginla assists (he IS still a pretty good goal scorer with an absurdly high percentage). That does not diminish his skillset or his contributions. Like I said before, Glencross benefitted from playing from Iginla (and Monahan this year) and currently is not benefitted from playing with Raymond, Stajan, Jooris for whatever reason that you insist is "disinterest". If you don't think that, then we have nothing more to discuss.

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Originally Posted by The_Future

Interesting…..

Glencross 48GP 26PTS

Granlund 33GP 13PTS (A PACE OF 18.9PTS per 48GP)
Baertschi 15GP 4PTS (A PACE OF 12.8PTS per 48GP)
Poirier 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Bennett 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Wolf 2GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Arnold 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)

So if my math is correct All 6 of these players can't even make up for Glencross' production combined.

You're joking, right? Because points outside of context are everything?

For starters, Granlund was playing center for the Flames. When discussing wingers, you have to look at Granlund's build and skillset, where as a winger he's going to be much more effective than he was pidgeonholed as a center losing 65% of his faceoffs.

Baertschi? He was playing his season with Bollig, Setoguchi, etc for 8 minutes a night on the fourth line, without even a center. The last time he played a role similar to Glencross, he was putting up 10 points over 20 games, and that was two years ago when he was a twenty year old straight out of Junior without a clue about the pro game (he's a much BETTER player now).

And the other guys? Wolf seemed more effective in his two games than Glencross has since his return from injury. Glencross has 0 points in the last 4 games too, by the way.

Originally Posted by The_Future

All I am trying to get at is we can't say FOR SURE any one of those 6 players automatically replaces what Glencross brings to the table, McDavid included if you want.

We can't know "FOR SURE" what Glencross brings to the table on a given night, either. Or even Sidney Crosby for that matter. You make predictions and projections based on what you know about the player. We know what player Glencross is regardless if he's scoring 50 points or 20 in a given season. Likewise we have a pretty good handle on "those 6 players" to know that they can play 2nd/3rd line wing pretty decently, especially with our great center Backlund leading the way.