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Originally Posted by jammies
There is no such thing as "actions by the group". There is no "group", and if there was, it wouldn't be "acting". This type of logic is exactly what I'm arguing against...
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I disagree. There is a group and the group is called, collectively, Muslim population and it has its own culture that is open for discussion and criticism. For example, when a survey shows that 11% of London's $1M Muslim population would not report a suspicious perpetrated terrorist activity to the police, that is a strong indicator of the group's overall negativity towards "them", with "them" being the host city/country/society. It further demonstrates antagonism and distrust of the societal current law and order system. That's roughly 110,000 people that are not to be taken dismissively as bad apples or individuals not representing the population. They absolutely are and they are a statistically significant representation.
As for Thor's reasoning in this thread earlier, while it's very eloquently stated, I always have difficulty following the superiority/inferiority logic that always leads to excusing the inexcusable. "Yeah, they flog, stone and kill people, yeah, they persecute homosexuals, yeah, they consider women a sub-class and keep them locked up, yeah, they hate the rest of the world and half of them forgive terrorist activities... but what can we do, they are still living in feudal age, so its' understandable, or they are oppressed, so how could they be blamed?".. This logic is flawed at the root. It is exactly because they do that, the progressively-minded countries must keep pressure on those economies and their leaders to wake up and face the new reality. It worked with the USSR - the most infallible and heavily armed regime fell to the pressure mounted up against it and resulted in a liberation of the Soviet society and its transformation to a more open and free country (they still have a very long way to go but it's moving). It worked with other former socialist block countries. At some point, it will start working on even the most radical Islamic countries.