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Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Oct 18 2004, 06:17 PM
Geez and I thought this one had died.
Actually, I said there were millions of people against the war. Millions, not thousands. Thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of vets were against the war. You seem to be arguing that Kerry should have kept his mouth shut because he was smart/well-spoken and people would listen to him. Also, you are giving him way, waaaay too much credit. If he hadn't said his piece, someone else would have.
As an aside, I think he's said his use of the word "atrocities" was extreme and maybe not the best word to use.
And with being a man to stand up for it himself, i think its clear what i mean, he did it at home where he knew nobody would downplay him, at home where he knew that there were millions of people that would support him, at home where he wouldn't get court marshalled. Of course he could have done it in Vietnam and if it was true what he was saying he would have made even more of a statement.
It's often not clear what you mean. It still isn't. He testified before the US Senate, which is rather difficult to do in Viet Nam. He's admitted to his own guilt and role in certain events. I know it's a hard concept for some to accept, but recognizing mistakes and past failures (personal/political) is not a character flaw. That is what he did -- he saw that things were going wrong, he accepted his own role in it, and then said "this has to stop".
You yak on and on about what a traitor Kerry is and how he destroyed morale and this and that and then you say "but I'd choose Bush". I'm no expert on troop morale in Viet Nam, but it would be interesting to hear what they thought of rich, beer swilling frat boys who not only dodged the draft but didn't even keep up their end of the bargain and protect the dangerous skies over Georgia.
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Kerry would have made twice the statement if he would have done it in Vietnam, but instead he carried out the same atrocitites that he accused others off.
The only thing that will end this will be when Kerry apologizes for what he said.
As an aside, I think he's said his use of the word "atrocities" was extreme and maybe not the best word to use.
You have a link to that, or are you trying to help Kerry away? He himself said he commited the atrocities, but when you get to talking about them Kerry then backs off and says well maybe it wasn't that serious. Another flip flop if its true.