You make some good points here Lanny.
I diagree with most as usual.
Really? I would hope that information doesn't get out because that is not your teacher's decision to make and that could be grounds for dismissal. That is a gross exaggeration of the intent of the movie. Again, watch the movie and decide for yourself.
I probably explained this wrong, so i'll make it right. My teacher said that Moore is an obvious Left Wing Democrat, and unless he has a Right Wing movie with the same theories as Moore has he won't show the movie. Just like he won't let the Liberals come to our class and enforce their policies upon some kids where most don't know better then agree, he wants them to have all the party candidates come and we could then have a debate. Imagine a debate where only Kerry would answer questions, obviously then no one can get Bush's point of view, and i'm sure you agree with me here, its only right to see both sides of the issue before we decide what to believe. Showing 9/11 doesn't show both sides of the issue.
Well, the Republicans also get a little of the credit here as well. If the Republicans would let 911 die, Michael Moore would disappear because his film focuses on 911 and the fall out. But the Republicans continue to run on the 911 platform, becaise everything else they have done has been terrible and they would get throttled.
Thats one of the basis for their campaign election, 9/11 and what Bush has done since and all that. I don't think Moore will dissapear until he is publicly called out, and thats what Micheal Moore hates America is doing. I diagree with everything the Republicans have done is terriable, but i know where you're coming from, but i think any Democrat would have lead the country the same way after the attacks.
How would Arsenal know, he hasn't seen it. He admits it himself. My suggestion is to watch the movie yourself and make your own call.
I don't agree with opinion, but rather with the statement that "the movie 9/11 is what is helping the keep the election so close." Take that any way you want but i don't think Kerry is wise enough to win the campaign without things like this movie and others media happenings to help him. His record IMO damages his chances to much.
Well, you're dead wrong there. Clinton did respond to the Cole bombing and to the African embassy bombings. He bombed the terror camps in Afgahnistan as well as Sudan. He also had a plan put in place to use a drone to take out bin Laden but could not get the military to used the then experimental technology to do so. Clinton responded which is why Moore did not crucify him. As well, Clinton's admin also set up many anti-terrorism mechanisms that did not exist prior to his Presidency.
Clinton responded with a missile attack, that has been reported to have struck a hospital instead of the terror camps. If he would have really acted like you said he could have wiped out the terrorists before they became more powerful. And why does Moore the crucify Bush if he didn't crucify Clinton who you said responded, when Bush obviously responded well. And ground troops would have been a lot better for Clinton to send in and get the job done right. Thats all IMO as well.
Moore is a left winger, no doubt about that, but he is not a lier. He may use some clever editting to emphasze his point, but he is an honest guy. Yes, he makes a stand in his films and hits you over the head, but he does not lie. That is why he gets the respect and villification that he does. He calls it as he sees it, brings a well researched game plan, and makes an entertaining and usually thought proving film.
He stretched the truth to far IMO so he can be called a lier. And also considering that his sources have been sometimes also called lies, i'll stand by my opinion that he's a lier. And i don't know about the Honesty issue, to me it seems like honesty doesn't matter as long as he gets his point across.
Kopel, is right winger. No doubt about that. But I will point out that Kopel is a recognized neo-con and uses two well documented liers like Ann Coultier and Sean Hannity as his "source of truth". That doesn't lend credibility to his cause in any fashion.
Why call Hannity a lier? Have you listened to his show? To me he may be a Bush supporter but he has backup for every statement many which are true. He is widely recognized as a honest individual so i disagree with him being a lier. And i can't say anything about Coulter because i haven't read her stuff so i won't say anything about her.
As I said, watch the film, do the research and make the call yourself. I have never liked Michael Moore, but F911 made me do some reading and really changed the way I saw things. There are some really good books out there that are unbiased and backup much of what Moore says.
I'll stand by not watching the film, i think its too bias and like i was taught when writing a good essay, always show both sides of the issue, i don't think Moore did that.
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