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Originally Posted by heep223
So, if we assume that what you're saying is true and that Sven never got a shot in the top 6, do you think there's some sort of conspiracy against him? Or do you think that Hartley's assessment of hockey ability is poor?
Why can't people just accept the fact that the coaching staff has been assessing Sven and they are not satisfied with his ability to play with 100% alignment to the system they've designed. They clearly don't trust something about his game and they don't want him to be a 1 dimensional player. So they are teaching him, coaching him and he's learning how to play the 200ft system in the minors.
Why is this such a big deal - do you not trust Hartley and our coaching staff? It seems like they've been pretty true to their words thus far. If you don't trust them and think they have it in for Sven for some reason that's unrelated to his play, then that's a different story.
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Assume that it is true he never got a shot in the top 6? Don't have to assume it, it is a fact.
Again my post was in response to a poster who said Granlund, Jooris and Gaudreau worked their way up from the 4th line, so why can't Sven. He can't if he is never given the opportunity to do so.
I am happy that he is now on the farm actually getting minutes and producing. Having him up here playing 8 minutes a game on the fourth line wasn't going to help him or the team in anyway.
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Jooris may have played with those guys his first game, but he didn't do well in the next few games - he was then demoted to the 4th line, give away less minutes, and ultimately benched. It was only after this that he became a more consistent guy with bigger minutes, and recently he has been given less and benched again.
If you watch you will notice that Hartley gives ice time on the basis of in-game performance - not what happened the last game. So Sven got more time in the game he played well, and his ice time was less the next game because he didn't continue it. I also believe Hartley gives time and assignments based on practice performance. Maybe Sven isn't a good practice player.
You also have to understand that Jooris was to be thje first call-up because his performance in training camp. Ferland and Granlund were next because of how they were doing in Addy (at a time when Sven was not doing well there). So their AHL performance instructed Hartley on what to expect and where to put him.
Finally, Setguchi was not a top 6 guy - he mostly played with Sven. he was gievn PP time because he's a right handed RW who will go to the net. There weren't many other options at the time. Plus, he's a 30 goal man in the NHL, so he was obviously given some time to see if he could regain the form. That's not the case with Sven, who hasn't done anything to earn benefit of the doubt points yet.
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Well again, not true about Sven getting more ice in the game he had 2 assists and 2 takeaways in. He only got 4 shifts in the 3rd when the game was 5-3.
Obviously you forget Setoguchi played with Monahan for a stretch and also continually got PP time force fed to him. Basically what I'm saying is Sven never got the kind of opportunities that those other 4 players did. I don't see how anybody that has watched every Flames game this season can deny that fact.