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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood
False.
Jooris played on a line with Monahan and Hudler and had 15:29 in ice time in his first game.
I was responding to the guy who said Jooris, Gaudreau and Granlund all had to work their way from the 4th line. Anybody that has watched the games would know it simply isn't true. Sven was never given the ice or the linemates that the other three were.
Sven had 3 points in 2 games with the avg ice of 10 mins in those games. The following game he was given 7 minutes. Hard to earn more ice when you are never given more ice after you actually do produce.
I am not saying Jooris, Granlund and Johnny didn't deserve anything, because they certainly did. I am saying you cannot use those three cases in comparison to what Sven did or didn't do. Those guys were all put in a position to succeed, where Baertschi has only had 4th line minutes and linemates.
Sven will be a top 6 player, or he won't be in the NHL. The thing I am saying is he never got one chance to play in the top 6, so how is he supposed to succeed in his call up? Setoguchi was given top 6 and PP time over and over again. He failed and was sent down. Sven was never afforded the same.
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Jooris may have played with those guys his first game, but he didn't do well in the next few games - he was then demoted to the 4th line, give away less minutes, and ultimately benched. It was only after this that he became a more consistent guy with bigger minutes, and recently he has been given less and benched again.
If you watch you will notice that Hartley gives ice time on the basis of in-game performance - not what happened the last game. So Sven got more time in the game he played well, and his ice time was less the next game because he didn't continue it. I also believe Hartley gives time and assignments based on practice performance. Maybe Sven isn't a good practice player.
You also have to understand that Jooris was to be thje first call-up because his performance in training camp. Ferland and Granlund were next because of how they were doing in Addy (at a time when Sven was not doing well there). So their AHL performance instructed Hartley on what to expect and where to put him.
Finally, Setguchi was not a top 6 guy - he mostly played with Sven. he was gievn PP time because he's a right handed RW who will go to the net. There weren't many other options at the time. Plus, he's a 30 goal man in the NHL, so he was obviously given some time to see if he could regain the form. That's not the case with Sven, who hasn't done anything to earn benefit of the doubt points yet.