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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Jooris started out with limited time, just like Sven, on the bottom line, just like Sven. The reason his ice time increased is because he succeeded in making Hartley trust him. He did this after being benched and seeing his ice time actually drop. He's also been benched more than Sven, so his actual ice time while being up here is less. Also, he brings more to the table than scoring, as do Granlund and Johnny. If Sven learned how to check or forecheck or kill penalties, he'd be much more useful.
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False.
Jooris played on a line with Monahan and Hudler and had 15:29 in ice time in his first game.
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Do you really think that Jooris was given anything? They had him scheduled to play 1 pre-season game and send him right down to the AHL. He went balls to the wall for the rookie camp and pre-season and was still sent down. Then he came up and earned a shot by producing.
Gaudreau is a special talent so he got ice time and it worked out.
Granlund is a centre and every centre besides Monahan was hurt so he got ice time.
Sven has to do something to move up in the line-up. He hasn't produced in the AHL much in the past two years. He didn't produce in the pre-season and he had 3 points in 14 games with the Flames. He has to earn it if he wants top 6 ice time.
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I was responding to the guy who said Jooris, Gaudreau and Granlund all had to work their way from the 4th line. Anybody that has watched the games would know it simply isn't true. Sven was never given the ice or the linemates that the other three were.
Sven had 3 points in 2 games with the avg ice of 10 mins in those games. The following game he was given 7 minutes. Hard to earn more ice when you are never given more ice after you actually do produce.
I am not saying Jooris, Granlund and Johnny didn't deserve anything, because they certainly did. I am saying you cannot use those three cases in comparison to what Sven did or didn't do. Those guys were all put in a position to succeed, where Baertschi has only had 4th line minutes and linemates.
Sven will be a top 6 player, or he won't be in the NHL. The thing I am saying is he never got one chance to play in the top 6, so how is he supposed to succeed in his call up? Setoguchi was given top 6 and PP time over and over again. He failed and was sent down. Sven was never afforded the same.