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@Oct 17 2004, 05:56 PM
It's kind of hard to respond because it's kind of hard to figure out what you said.
Re: his testimony before Congress -- it's out there.# It's on tape.# There is no question as to what was said. If someone wants to question him on it, it's pretty easy.# I'm sure he still believes the same things, so he has nothing to explain to anybody.# He said that atrocities were being committed and the Viet Nam war was a bad idea.# Both of those things are pretty much universally accepted today.# Why would he go back and say "I was wrong" when everyone now knows he was right?
It is entirely possible and arguable that it was bad timing and it might have been detrimental to the troops (not true, IMO) but I don't know what else you want.# What could he say on this issue that would please you?
Have we become so self centered that we have stopped caring about the other people in this world, have we started to take our freedom for granted?
This is so ridiculous I am speechless.
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What i really want is for him to apologize for demoralizing the troops like he did, since he could have picked a better time to say it, even Jane Fonda apologized for her words, why can't he?
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
Thats Janes story, and if Kerry has to do with a bitch that says that POW are being treated humanly and then later backs off and calls the POW liers, he doesn't deserve to be President.
Also he has been accused of lying, and if he didn't lie why doesn't he talk about the issue?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...erry.military/
As the article states, like those troops in Iraq refused to carry out orders if they knew something was wrong why didn't Kerry report the incidents and refuse to do them himself if they were so wrong and if he isn't lying.
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You want him to apologize for demoralizing the troops?
Maybe the troops were demoralized about the war itself? Ever think of that? Christ, if the guy was half as influential as you seem to think he was he'd have been President 20 years ago.
Thats Janes story, and if Kerry has to do with a bitch that says that POW are being treated humanly and then later backs off and calls the POW liers, he doesn't deserve to be President.
What the hell does Jane Fonda have to do with John Kerry? I don't know if this is a ham-fisted attempt to connect the two or just old-fashioned foolishness.
The rest of your post -- I can't make heads or tails out of most of it. Could you be a little more clear?
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Jane Fonda and John Kerry worked together in the Rally's against the Vietnam War.
And if the troops were demoralized about the war they took it in stride, nobody made their opinion about the war as public as Kerry did, he is half the man they are because of it.
The article from CNN states that Kerry lied about the atrocities that he said those troops in Vietnam were commiting, i won't take a stand on either side but whose to say he didn't lie?
It also states that if Kerry thought the atrocitites were so wrong, why didn't he do something about it in Vietnam like the 18 soliders Lanny just posted about did. Instead he came home and demoralized them. A person can infer so many bad things about Kerry just from his record, thats why he is down in the polls, if a person looks at the polls.
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Kerry and Jane Fonda worked together, did they? That's a hell of a scoop. I wonder why the Republicans haven't picked up on that.
The article from CNN states that Kerry lied about the atrocities that he said those troops in Vietnam were commiting, i won't take a stand on either side but whose to say he didn't lie?
The guy they are interviewing states that, and it's his opinion. CNN didn't state it.
And again with the "he demoralized them" business. Common sense tells me that they were demoralized about the war, not what Kerry said. You are trying to make it out that everything was going swimmingly, but then Kerry went and said those things and everything fell apart. It's nonsense.
At least he had the balls to say what he felt, right or wrong. Bush and Cheney were both obviously very strongly against the war but because they stayed nice and quiet they are great and Kerry is a traitor. [/b][/quote]
They were anti-war protesters together.
Rogue,
I mentioned wrong, i meant to say that it was O'Neils opinion instead of CNN.
I wasn't even alive during the Vietnam War but i still believe that from what i have read that Kerry demoralized the troops even more because at home yes of course the country was against the war, but when someone that has been there comes home and gives evidence ( or lies) of what is happening that, to me strikes at the moral of the troops even more.
And if he had the balls to do it, why didn't he do it where it really counted, in Vietnam, why come home where he knows he'll get full support?
Yes it takes a man to stand up and do what he did, but he wasn't man enough to do it himself.
And i never said anything about Bush or Cheney so i don't know where you're getting that from.