[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by jammies

I'm reasonably sure the discussion exists, because we are speaking in it.

Read the sentence again - it's the parameters that don't yet exist, not the discussion

I'm also reasonably sure that you don't want to speculate because your position - that the City should be looking at "helping" the Flames with the arena - relies on a completely specious counter-factual of there somehow being a downside to not committing public funds. So, when pressed to detail exactly what might happen, you'd rather say nothing and continue to try to obfuscate.

you have no idea what my position is, but it doesn't seem to stop you from speculating

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Is this not you?

Wake city hall up? They haven't received any proposal yet, so what are they "waking up" to? When you speak of "alternatives", are you not referring to the Flames putting pressure on the City by pretending they will move somewhere else - be that Balzac or Seattle - to pry forth some dollars? Is this not the discussion you say doesn't exit, that is, whether or not it is justified to spend taxpayer money subsidizing a business that needs no subsidization?

by wake city hall up, I simply meant get things moving forward

All your talk about the value of the franchise to the city IS a straw man, as you are implicitly claiming that somehow we are in peril of losing the franchise should the City not step up with cash or land or some other kind of preferential treatment. This is ridiculous. The Flames are, apparently, 7th in the league in revenues. They are not going to jeopardize that over a spat with City Hall.

These are businessmen, not jilted teenagers - they won't take their toys and go home if they don't get what they want, they will look at other ways of spending someone else's money (like financing paid for by upping ticket prices) to build their arena. If City Hall wants in on building something for sports, let's spend that money on new indoor soccer facilities or community rinks, not a palace where I can sit for 2 or 3 hours drinking beer.

Again, you attempt to define my view on my behalf. And again, you throw up straw men while attempting to paint me with that brush.

You make your views clear on this. And you're welcome to them.

I believe the parties will reach a deal that makes sense for everyone. We'll see how it shakes out.

I won't respond to any more of your posts because they are tiring, extreme, predictable, and repetitive.