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Originally Posted by HOZ
Almost a word for word quote from the Moonbat left of the their summation of the Iraqi war minus the Oil.
Lets start with the terrible abuses at Abu Gharib.
Brought up by those who love to discredit the war and the US in general. Anti-Americanism tends to be the main motivator. You'd think the Americans were lining up 10's of thousands for gassing. Unfortunately for those that believe this load of stink....The abuses by the Americans at Abu Gharib can be summed up as such: Pink panties on head, naked male pyramid building photo opportunities by real losers who are now behind bars themselves. No torture took place. No one was murdered.
Illigal war. Well considering that Saddam had broken the treaty that hs government signed from the last Gulf War saying that if he did not live up to his end of the bargain the coalitions forces were within their rights to attack makes this point is moot. The UN being useless (anyone truely not beleive that the UN is ineffective in its own mandate now? Dafur?) couldn't sum up enough will power to do what was needed. As a matter of fact they were on Saddam's payroll.
WMD. Well they did find them. 500 of them. To believe that the Bush administration lied about WMD is to believe that the Russian, French, CIA, British intelligence and the UN itself lied about their belief that Saddam had these weapons. Thats ignoring the the startling facts that Saddam harrassed weapons inspectors and then eventually kicked them out. YES, VERY NORMAL governmental procedures when you are NOT hiding something.
But lets not let these things get in the way.
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Yes, let's not let these things get in the way:
98 detainees are KNOWN (let alone how many the U.S. is covering up) to have died since August 2002 in the custody of US officials abroad. The U.S. military itself classifies 34 of these deaths as suspected or confirmed homicides. But in half of all deaths, the cause was never announced or was reported as undetermined. At least eight, and as many as twelve, were tortured to death. In only 12 of the 34 admitted homicides have any military personnel or US officials been punished. In the cases of detainees tortured to death, only half have resulted in punishment. The harshiest prison sentence meted out to anyone involved in a torture-related death was five months.
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Command's Responsibility: Detainee Deaths in U.S. Custody in Iraq and Afghanistan, released in Februrary by Human Rights First.
And these are just the extreme cases. There are many ways you can torture a prisoner without leaving marks - hooding, exploitation of phobias, stress positions, sensory deprivation... Donald Rumsfeld gave formal, written approval for these techniques along with others normally proscribed by the Army Field Manual.
By the way, torturing is illegal. But again, since you support this war, you have no respect for international law to begin with.
I think it is funny how you quote the failings of the UN in Sudan, but I certainly do not see any American, or Canadian, troops there. Why are they in Iraq but not in Darfur where huge atrocities are taking place? The UN is only as powerful as it's member-states make it, it is not a global government. Are you willing to send Canadian troops to Darfur, guaranteeing casualties? Do you think the Canadian government under Harper would even consider sacrificing lives in an area that guarantees no economical, political or tactical importance? Why did Rwanda fail? No country was willing to donate resources to Africa. Regardless of what is happening in other parts of the world, the bottom line is the world came to a conclusion in regards to Iraq, and the U.S. did not listen.
Funny you should mention that Saddam was not acting normal... The U.S. has never allowed the IAEA weapon inspectors in. What does that say about them? Who supplied Saddam with all those weapons in the first place to fight the Soviets? Yeah... I'll give you a hint, their president is a moron.