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Old 10-15-2004, 04:04 PM   #6
Lanny_MacDonald
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I thought this stuff was never in the mainstream media?

Gee Cow, again, ONE article and the mainstream media is all over it! You're hilarious. Again, consider the number of papers that completely ignore the information and take their marching orders from, ahem, elsewhere. You'll notice a whole stream of articles from mainstrem sources who deliver this exact same message? No, they're too busy writing articles that paint the Iraq invasion as a righteous cause.

""Take on" can mean a lot of things, including multinational economic pressure of the kind already building against Iran."

Sure, and these people are just so intune with giving "multinational economic pressure" a chance. That's rich.

"This particular columnist is saying "all out war," then is so stretched for ideas he derives a rather fanciful scenario which actually requires Iran to invade Iraq and confront USA forces, rather than Americans going into Iran, all the result of an Israeli air strike.

Doesn't that make IRAN the imperialist war mongers!!??"


No, it means they are following the United States' lead of using the "first strike" capability. Christ, are you really this naive? Why the hell do you think the US is building 14 military bases, all of them capable of landing every plane in the American arsenal? Peace keeping? Math skills that poor?

"There might be nothing more unifying for Iraqi's than seeing Iranians pouring over the border."

I highly doubt that the Americans are going to see a massive amount of support swelling up should the Iranians attack. Especially if it is spurned by an Israeli bombing in Iran. You want to talk about unification? That would do it for Arabs everywhere. What, do you think for a second that Arabs all over the Middle East are not watching the US very closely and just waiting for them to make a move elsewhere? You want to talk about a flashpoint for Arab aggression. An Israeli involvement in anything outside of their own borders and you're going to see this situation explode.

You will notice that the "Coalition Against Evil-Doers" has but one Arab nation. Think about that. Kuwait is the only one on board in this litte escapade in the Middle East. Doesn't give me much confidence that the Arab nations are in favor of Americans being where they are. To put it politely, the Americans are sitting ducks if the Arabs unite. You think that the Iran hostage crisis was ugly, imagine those poor soldiers there that will be left to fight their way out. just who would come to the American's defense? Who would help them with their supply lines? No one. The worst thing that could happen would be for Israel to follow through on its threats to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities as it would hang the Americans out to dry.

"Isn't the columnist guilty of the very scare tactics the Democrats accuse the Bush administration of using in this campaign when it says America will be less safe with Kerry as President?"

Possibly. But this has some foundation behind it. The Republicans are trying to scare people by saying that the terrorist will strike if the Democrats are elected. That's bullsh*t, the terrorists will strike no matter who is in power. This is an ideological issue, not an issue focused on politcal parties. The Democrats, and their more diplomatic approach to things, might be more capable of building a real coalition to deal with the issues. But that is here nor there and is not of importance to this discussion. What is of importance is the belief structure of the NeoCons in power and what they believe is crucial to the success of their plans. The fact that they say they need to be able to engage forces in multiple theatres of war in their manifesto it lends creedence to the belief that they will follow through on such a plan. If you don't believe its necessary, don't print in your Mein Kampf.

Frankly, this columnist is doing what a lot of those who have been watching the PNAC are doing, and that's sitting back shaking their heads hoping they don't get another four years to push their plan forward. These guys are nutty enough and committed enough to their cause that they would follow through on their plans. But hey, you can call it fearmongering if you want, just like it was fearmongering to say that the Americans were going to invade Iraq without reason.
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