[starseed]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Okay, here's a summary of my thoughts and opinions:

I strongly believe that the Eternals / Guardians are not cults. My reading of how cults work on the wiki lead me to believe they keep the cult a secret, so having their name associated with these groups in the first post doesn't add up to me. Also, we already have 3 "members" already on day 2. That's going to eat up the players too quickly.

As for the option of joining those groups, it does sound very 'blackmail' like. It appears 100% of the offers have been accepted. Also, all three say they don't know the benefit to the group. Therefore, either they are all lying about the benefits, or the punishment for not joining must be large. Therefore, the plan to lynch the next member of the group is likely a bad idea as it will put the next invitee in a real rough spot.

It would be completely unbalanced, and over too quickly if this were a case of 2 cults vs town vs mafia. I dont know what Mazrim has cooked up, but I know my allegiance is still with the town. These groups can recruit twice as fast as the town can lynch.

Also, I was not blackmailed into becoming a member. It was a choice, and I am not going to lay all the cards on the table. We are not at the stage where we can make stone soup.

What has confused me so far in catching up is the great distrust to Matt. Once RD flipped town, suspicions on Matt relate only to him being a member of the Eternals. For some reason, he is being attacked the most for this membership and his vague responses. But all of the group members have generally corroborated his story and the new members are just as vague.

I was very suspicious, but I still did not immediately assume he was anti-town. Now that I have been approached, I understand why he was less forthcoming, and I also understand that this may be a bit of a red herring. His other posts have me leaning towards suspecting him of being mafia, but he is not at the top of my list.

So how did the Matt vote get started? First by GirlySports, followed quickly by ECF. I'm having a hard time quoting posts from pages ago, so I am just cutting and pasting.

GirlySports:
"Starseed and GGG wanting to give RD a chance and voting for GP_Matt makes sense

GP_Matt wanting to give RD a chance and voting for RD makes no sense

And seeing that Starseed is Guardian and GP_Matt is Eternal..

Vote
GP_Matt"

To be honest, I re-read this about 10 times and still can't quite follow the logic there. Really odd vote. I have been suspicious of Girly most of the game so far, and this just pushes it further.

This post actually pulled me back a bit, it was the rest of her body of work that caused me to vote for her (and also the fact that she was in on the bizaro pileon and hammered RD). What I see her saying here is that GGG and I backed our words with actions, voted for the second candidate so as to give time for RD to make a death post/reveal. GP voted for RD and contributed to the votes necessary to drop the hammer hours before the deadline. Mind you, she was the one to drop the hammer. She was probably more guilty of the crime she accused GP Matt of.

ECF:
"Everything GP_Matt does to me seems rotten. Way too many vague and half responses.

I think if we get a flip for GP, this might tell us a lot, including maybe something about this eternal thing. Because GP sure as hell isn't telling us about it.

Vote: GP_Matt"

So ECF's vote against Matt is based on the fact that he is an Eternal and is being vague about it. Okay, I could buy that. But now ECF is also an Eternal, is also extremely vague about it, and yet he STILL has his vote of Matt. What? That makes no sense.

Thus, I don't think ECF's vote against Matt was due to the Eternals, it was another reason - he's scum and knows the momentum against Matt would be easy to build once Girly had the vote down.

Vote: East Coast Flame

Good point. There are some bizarre holes in his logic here, and I do have him on my list. However, there is a possibility that he is simply trying to avoid supporting the perception that joining these new groups is equal to changing your alignment. So he is keeping his vote on GP Matt despite the basis of his argument evaporating.