I don't know anyone saying Hartley is no good. Most agree he's a great coach but he might only have a certain amount of "shelf life" left in him where others think he'll be around long term. Most everyone can agree that he's a good coach.
I don't think there is a single person who thinks Johnny is not good enough. He's great. Some people think it may be better for him to play in the minors for a year to develop more but after watching the pre season, most here agree that he's an elite talent......
The only exception to these are oiler trolls.
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