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Old 09-30-2014, 02:07 PM   #141
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Originally Posted by ricardodw View Post
Morrison was supposed to be a piece that got the Flames into the playoffs. His low salary was very important as the Flames were right against the cap and had no prospects close to playing at the NHL level.

I would totally understand that if the Flames had a solid top-9 that was playoff bound and Steoguchi was brought in as cheap injury insurance.


If you can't see that Tanguay was a negative for the Flames , a small talented guy who was pouting half the time because he wasn't being used properly in his mind who basically quit on the Flames when Iginla got traded.

There was no way he could have remained on the Flames after he quit and was going to get paid the rest of the 11M the Flames still owed him.
What point are you trying to make about Morrison? You say he was a bad reclamation project.... because the Flames didn't make the playoffs? Am I following your logic here? I think you might be the only person on this forum to say Morrison was a failure of a reclamation project, and I really didn't want him signed in the first place. I ate crow on that one. To prove your point by showing that the Flames didn't make the playoffs? Heck, I will just counter with the equally absurd and unrelated argument that if the Flames had 2 more Brendan Morrison signings who did exactly what BMO did, Flames would make the playoffs.

Setoguchi was brought in this year for the same reasons as if the Flames were playoff bound - depth. Backlund, Jones and Setoguchi himself have already sustained injuries. Your kids will get their time in the NHL, as there are always injuries. Let's just say there isn't. Let's just say that this team plays 100% healthy for the entire season (and do you have any idea of what those odds would be?), and the Flames make ZERO trades. Do you honestly think that any of the kid's development is going to be hurt by stewing for another season in the AHL? You know, it is a development league. I see, your argument (from a prior post) was that these kids would be passed by the next crop in the upcoming draft classes. Well, they would be passed while they were on the Flames, no? How about the Flames just keep stewing their prospects until the most NHL ready prospects show up in the NHL? NHL is not a development league - the AHL is.

Now Tanguay. I see you said: "If....", but I don't see a "then" or a "then - else" to finish the statement. I hope I am understanding your point well enough (as you really didn't make one).

If you are going to argue that Tanguay is a negative reclamation project because Feaster chose to re-sign Tanguay with term, and then Tanguay sulked and forced Feaster's hand into a trade involving negative-value contracts THEN I don't know how to even begin forming a rebuttal. Let me try my best, however.

With the above logic...

Iginla was the most terrible player ever for Calgary. He encouraged Feaster to sign Tanguay in the off-season. Iginla also forced the Flames do delay their rebuild as the Flames were trying to win with him. Heck, let's bring the BMO argument and say that the Flames missed the playoffs more years than they made with Iginla, so Iginla must suck. Am I doing this right? Wait.. that is not quite right. Let me add that Nieuwendyk was horrible because his trade brought Iginla to Calgary in the first place.

Do you start to see how absurd your argument is? You keep moving goalposts to prove an argument.

BMO was a CHEAP reclamation signing who exceeded expectations and did very well, offering the Flames some flexibility both in cap space and in line combinations.

Tanguay came in at a 1.7 million reclamation contract and scored 69 points. Show me any players in the NHL that got more points that season at that same contract that were NOT in their ELC's. That was a very successful reclamation contract. Period.

Now you can make a NEW argument that Feaster made a mistake in re-signing him rather than trading him at the deadline on his reclamation contract year. I would probably even agree with you. Just don't go changing the goalposts back and forth in trying to prove any points.
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