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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101
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This is where it's going to get really interesting, because there are obviously some double standards here. And you're the perfect person to point them out.
The reason I find the 'Sedin Sisters' more troubling than the pics threads is because in the pics thread, anyone who ventured into them knew what they were getting into. They were based around sexuality, so there was going to be a certain amount of lewdness, rating, etc. in them. Which was the whole point to begin with.
However, the 'Sedin Sisters' example is more problematic to me because it's an example of the pervasiveness of sexism in the culture at large. There's always going to be nudie pics, and there's always going to be sexual rating. Male and Female. Which gets even more complicated when you include homosexuality because can you accuse a lesbian of making a sexist sexual comment? I really don't know. So as long as they're in their proper places, it's at least something we can limit to those areas, and decide if we want to join or not. Sex is always going to be complicated and contentious. As long as it's not dangerous, or overly mean, that may be all we can ask for.
But marginalizing women based on attributes like strength and toughness (or ability at science or whatever) in the board or society as a whole, is where the real problems begin. That's when it becomes easy to accept women should make less, because hey, it's just biology that they will end up going on maternity leave, and end up being worth less to the company.
So that's why I find one more dangerous than the other.
But being a guy I admit, my opinion may not count to a hill of beans.
However, also to that, it shows that people's definitions of sexism are going to be very different, and even more importantly WOMEN'S definitions of what is sexist is going to be very different. That was the crux of the post I wanted to write weeks ago on the initial discussion, but never got around to. I've met women with attitudes more feminist than mine, and ones with attitudes less feminist than mine. I could actually write some very funny anecdotes on the issue.
So that's why we need more women to speak up, cause yeah, this is getting pretty complicated.