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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
You've likened it to a child taking his ball and going home and made it abundantly clear you don't consider it a valid reason. Whatever you want to classify that, it's disappointing hearing a cop say that about the Charter of Rights.
Like the court has decided, it's not the citizen who has to have a reason for showing ID, it's the officer for demanding it. And "nothing to hide" is not one of those reasons.
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I am pretty sure he has explained his position numerous times. Not sure if you have him blocked or just aren't reading.
Like I said earlier, if the cop has a reason to ask for your ID, you must provide it. It doesn't matter what YOU think you have or haven't done. He had outlined some of those reasons. White Tiger outlined a pretty clear scenario regarding the prostitute as to why police COULD have been there and why they were lawfully placed to ask for identification.
People need to take responsibility for their actions. If you are in the back of a cop car, the most reasonable explanation is that a decision YOU made put you there.
Maybe you were right. Maybe you did nothing and were in the wrong place at the wrong time and did nothing wrong. So the most logical thing to do would be to act rationally, provide ID and actually have an adult conversation. That may take some time. It may even mean an interview at a police station. Why? Because police need to do due diligence and ensure that they either have the right person or they need to eliminate you are a suspect. That's just how adults act.
Sure you can stand on your soap box and shout Charter arguments all you want. There is a forum and remedy for that but it's not the roadside or a police station.
That's just how things in our society work. I know you are all gonna come back with, "but, but, but...". Just take the time to digest what I said.
I can't speak for the US. I have no idea what it's like there. In Canada, the vast majority of big city services, are well trained professionals who know the charter as well as a lawyer.
Edit - I do realize that a lot of you take the position that police are inherently bad people and I am guessing that's what causes you to disregard any sort of explanation offered on this forum. If that's the case, I am not sure it's worth posting your arguments anymore.