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Originally Posted by rubecube
Yeah, and of many of those 100s a good chunk of them have issues with the law at some point in their lives. I can turn that argument around and point to the numerous boxers who grew up in bad situations and never raped anyone. The whole "Well because the exceptions occasionally rise above severe obstacles, then those obstacles shouldn't affect anyone" argument is such a tired and privileged take.
Okay, so explain what that has to do with him raping someone? If you're going to argue that Vick should've known better, despite being constantly surrounded by people who reinforced the idea that dogfighting was okay, then surely you can't turnaround and excuse Tyson for not not knowing that rape was wrong.
Let's also not forget the fact that Vick has shown a tremendous amount of remorse, has gone on to do work for the SPCA, and consistently goes back to his hometown to advocate against dogfighting. Meanwhile, after his release, Tyson continued to act violently towards men and women, continued to use sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic language at almost every turn, and has never even attempted to get involved with any organizations that dedicate themselves to preventing domestic and sexual violence.
I'm not saying Vick is a great guy. I liked him as a QB when he played for my team, but I would never have bought his jersey and I'm glad he's gone. But if you're not seeing the parallels here then that's your own personal bias more than anything else.
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Honestly I don't even know what exactly you are arguing about here and I suspect neither do you. We all get it. Tyson was convicted of rape and therefore he is dead to you. That's fine and you are entitled to your opinion. I am of the opinion that he served his time and has not raped a woman since. I'm not putting him on a pedestal or glorifying him or anything because the guy is still a thug. All I'm saying is that I am somewhat sympathetic to his plight in life as he never had a choice or a chance as he was turned into a thug at a very young age out of necessity to survive and everything he has done in his life good or bad has been a product of that.
I don't see any parallels with Tyson and Vick and you can call it bias if you want but I can argue that you are even more biased as it's pretty obvious by the way you conduct yourself on these forums you have one singular view and are steadfast with it. I got no problem with it but please don't bring out the " personal bias" card as that's pot calling the kettle black stuff.