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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
Being a "winner" is such a pile of crap when fans try to spew it around. There are some pretty obvious "winners" of the course of the leagues histories that's it's fair when a fan pulls out the "he's a winner card" because the player has such a track record of it and clearly had a huge role on the teams he won for that it's fair to say. Mark Messier for example, is a player any fan can confidently make an argument around as a "winner"...........leader on the teams he won on, won multiple times as a leader with different supporting casts (i.e. he didn't just win with Gretzky).
Hudler and Stajan................who's more of a winner? Who fricken knows. At this point in their careers, it's just as likely that Hudler was right place right time on a Wings club (that was very ok with letting him walk) that was full of actual winners as it is that Stajan has been wrong place wrong time on teams that simply aren't good enough. To suggest from our vantage point that any fan has a clue on whether Hudler or Stajan would be a better mentor based on their league history is just silly.
By that logic, you'd rather have Oliwa come back and mentor the kids on winning above the likes of Iginla or Kipper because he's won more cups. Makes no sense.
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Messier was a winner until he got to Vancouver. Then suddenly he wasn't anymore.